Bahrain GP situation: postponed, reinstated, cancelled

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Race in Bahrain?

Yes.
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29%
Don't care either way.
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8%
No.
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63%
 
Total votes: 93

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WhiteBlue
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n smikle wrote:But going by your previous posts wouldn't you say you are supporting Al Kalifa's desires by watching the race whether you want to or not?
No, I would not say so. I'm not objecting against the race per se.

My first objection is with the security which I think isn't appropriate contrary to what Al-Khalifa's minions say. By not watching the race I cannot improve the security.

My second objection is against the "uniF1cation" propaganda. By not watching a race I cannot reveal the political statement as untrue. So how can I make a difference?
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WhiteBlue wrote:
n smikle wrote:But going by your previous posts wouldn't you say you are supporting Al Kalifa's desires by watching the race whether you want to or not?
No, I would not say so. I'm not objecting against the race per se.

My first objection is with the security which I think isn't appropriate contrary to what Al-Khalifa's minions say. By not watching the race I cannot improve the security.

My second objection is against the "uniF1cation" propaganda. By not watching a race I cannot reveal the political statement as untrue. So how can I make a difference?
Go to Bahrain and exterminate the Al Kalifa Family.

Ok. I am not good at serious conversation. :lol:
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In stark contrast to the recent bombastic statements made by a representative from Human Rights Watch, a report from Amnesty International, summarized here by Autosport, presents an even-keeled and measured assessment of the situation in Bahrain. The full briefing can be found here.
Autosport wrote:Amnesty International says Bahrain crisis no better than when 2011 Formula 1 grand prix was cancelled

Amnesty International claims the situation in Bahrain has not improved since the 2011 grand prix was cancelled - and says Formula 1 risks being used as a political tool by allowing next weekend's race to go ahead.

After weeks of debate and controversy, the FIA announced on Friday that there was no reason why the 2012 Bahrain GP could not take place as scheduled on 20-22 April.

But human rights group Amnesty [International] released a briefing on the Bahrain situation later in the day, in which it accused the Gulf state's government of trying to present an image of change rather than tackling its issues, and suggested F1 was a factor in this process.

"In recent months, the Bahraini authorities have become more concerned with rebuilding their image and investing in public relations than with actually introducing real human rights and political reforms in their country," said the Amnesty statement.

"Indeed, for the authorities, much is at stake. They are keen to portray Bahrain as a stable and secure country in order to stave off international criticism. But as the country prepares to host the Formula 1 grand prix on 20-22 April, after the event was cancelled last year in response to the instability in the country, daily anti-government protests continue to be violently suppressed by the riot police that uses tear gas recklessly and with fatal results. Acts of violence by some protesters against the police have also considerably increased in the last three months.

"Holding the grand prix in Bahrain in 2012 risks being interpreted by the government of Bahrain as symbolising a return to business as usual. The international community must not turn a blind eye to the ongoing human rights crisis in the country. The government must understand that its half-hearted measures are not sufficient - sustained progress on real human rights reform remains essential."

The report argued that the present situation in Bahrain was little different to the circumstances that had led to the 2011 race being called off.

"Despite the authorities' claims to the contrary, state violence against those who oppose the Al Khalifa family rule continues, and in practice, not much has changed in the country since the brutal crackdown on anti-government protesters in February and March 2011," said Amnesty.

Earlier on Friday the FIA had declared that it was content the Bahrain GP could safely go ahead.

"Based on the current information the FIA has at this stage, it is satisfied that all the proper security measures are in place for the running of a Formula 1 world championship event in Bahrain," it said.

And F1 commercial rights-holder Bernie Ecclestone told reporters at the Chinese GP that the situation in Bahrain was being misrepresented.

"Everybody's happy," said Ecclestone. "We haven't got any problems. It's a problem being discussed by the media. They don't have any idea what's going on. That's the problem.

"This race is on the calendar, and has been on the calendar for quite a long time, and we will be there. All the teams are happy to be there.

"The national sporting authority will keep us informed as to what is happening. There's nothing happening. I know people who live there and it's all very quiet and peaceful."

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http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-04/D9U46IRG0.htm

Now its making headlines on Bloombergs Business news, Guess Bernie and Jean are pleased their pockets aren't empty and well lined.
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Please keep on topic regarding the status of Bahrain GP. bhallg2k post above is a good example.

Please do not make this personal about fellow posters or participants in the event.

Senna, Schumacher, 9/11 and your grandmother's genitalia have nothing to do with this thread.

Mods reserve the right to summary deletion.

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Hail22
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http://www.tehrantimes.com/middle-east/ ... n-hospital

Wow, this is truly shocking to even contemplate why this race is still going ahead...
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Blick newspaper, as well as Bild and London’s Times, are reporting that the host broadcasters for Finland, Japan and Germany (Sky Deutschland) will not be sending personnel to the troubled island Kingdom.
I will be affected by the lack of on site reporting by Sky Germany but I fully agree with the broadcaster not to expose their people to any risk in a country that can go to armed revolution any day.
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DOH!, Sorry, edit, my post is in response to the one above the one above......

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Hmm...won't load on my machine. What does it say?

I don't know the Tehran Times. Is it a "free to report" paper? Or is it affiliated with Irans government?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... sfeed=true

This video is unverified but apparently dated on the 13th after Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA announced the race was going ahead.

Sure the drivers will be safe...what about the fans and mechanics? jesus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bLWXXg ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8Ho4Kv ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XLbB3v4 ... ure=relmfu

Glad I'm not going, and may god be with Formula 1 fans they don't deserve this kind of fear...sigh
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I just hope everyone is safe. Things could seriously get out of hand.

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Sau Paulo has taught F1 how to keep the teams and media safe, but I'm worried about the less "important" people.
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<snip>

I do wonder what the repercussions legally speaking would be, if someone were to be injure or god forbid, killed in Bahrain due to this venue.
Specifically someone involved in F1.

Would Ecclestone/CVC/FIA be exposed to massive legal action?
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More could have been done.
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Hail22
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:<snip> I do wonder what the repercussions legally speaking would be, if someone were to be injure or god forbid, killed in Bahrain due to this venue.
Specifically someone involved in F1.

Would Ecclestone/CVC/FIA be exposed to massive legal action?
Most definitely it falls under the legal practice that the FIA has a Duty of Care.

However fans are only covered while within the inner limits of the circuit however Mechanics, technicians, press are covered while outside of the circuit and for the duration of the event.
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It seems plain stupid.

The Bahrain organisers must be paying truck loads of cash for Bernie to expose himself like this. Saying that, I understand there was an international golf tournament that went ahead and no protestations of any kind occurred.

For F1's sake, I truly hope nothing untoward happens.
More could have been done.
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Oh, I think Bernie "exposed" his greed long before now.

I'm sure (read: hopeful) that nothing will happen. Every spectator will be a government loyalist, likely paid to be there. Security outside the track, away from prying cameras, will be straight out of a dystopian fantasy novel to ensure that nothing brings undue attention to the race while the whole world is watching. I'd be surprised if any team personnel ever leave the track.

I think the real question is the aftermath.