Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

[Ogami musashi]

Technical freedom also opens it up for huge dominance..


Also, maximum G's? Is it just me, or are we going to have problems with teams complaining that their penalty was due to a kerb, or the angle of the road?

Well i'm not quite sure huge dominance would be the result of technical freedom.
With it, you have to choice to pursue your own design path to make for the lost performance.

I recall 82 when turbo cars more straight line power but NA cars were better in turns.
Even if on the long term everybody went to turbos, teams were able to fight with there own strengths.

For Max g's, it is of course a matter of definition. But stating a max G loading for a given period of time would be enough.

[WhiteBlue]

I also agree to design freedom under certain circumstances.

1. The FiA limits all engine power output by controlling both torque and rpm via the standard ECU.

2. Engines life is mandatorily extended to allow for low manufacturing and service charges.

3. Customer engines are traded at reference prices established by the FiA tender. Future development cost of engines have to be absorbed by the manufacturer and cannot be charged to customers.

4. Power train manufacturers have an obligation to supply customers according to the ratio of manufacturers/customers on demand.

5. Manufacturers and customers can only be on one homologated engine spec. Introduction may be sequenced by not more than 3 months.

6. Degressive fuel budget for races regarding total fuel weight and maximum flow rate introduced. Flow rate of refuelling rigs reduced to 1/3 of present rate.

In return for this I would cancel all engine regulations except health and safety regulations.

We would achieve several objectives:

• Perfomance improvements would be achieved by improving fuel economy
• The rich manufacturers would apply their surplus cash to research related to their core business without distorting the competition
• Customers would be suplied at sensible prices allowing a full field of 12 teams
• Reducing fuel consumption from the engine, HERS and KERS would be incentivated
• Employment in F1 could continue relatively unharmed
• F1 heritage of innovation would be maintained
• Technical competition on core technology remains
• FiA have a simple mechanism to adjust ICE power to rising reclaim power

[Ogami musashi]

I'd like to link you to the 18 november 2008 letter than MM sent to the FOTA.
IRCC this letter was not published before this week.

It has a very interesting last paragraph on the possibility for the manufacturers to set up their own series.
If your recall, MM and BE were the first to publicly have fun at manufacturers threat to quit F1...while at the same time the FIA officially made this letter.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... ov1808.pdf

[WhiteBlue]

..It has a very interesting last paragraph on the possibility for the manufacturers to set up their own series...

It is a dig by Max at Bernie and Montezemolo has picked up the ball. Compare his public announcement regarding renegotiating the 50% share of profit with FOM. Max supports him by saying he will sanction the series if they do it. Mosley has actually called on FOTA to make this step in summer. Considering how Bernie cheated FOCA and FiA out of their fair share it would be totally justified to play hardball with the old devil.

[xpensive]

One can only hope.

[chazzzzza]

it's good to see FOM finally thinking of the environment.
do they have any plans to increase driver safety?

[db__]

So... the new cost cutting regs for next year in full

The World Motor Sport Council met in Monaco on 12 December 2008. The following decisions were taken:

FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

The following measures to reduce costs in Formula One have been agreed by the World Motor Sport Council. These proposed changes have the unanimous agreement of the Formula One teams, who have played a major role in their development. The FIA is grateful to the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) and its Chairman Luca di Montezemolo for their incisive contribution.

2009

Engine

Engine life to be doubled. Each driver will use a maximum of eight engines for the season plus four for testing (thus 20 per team).

Limit of 18,000 rpm.

No internal re-tuning. Adjustment to trumpets and injectors only.

The three-race rule voted on 5 November remains in force.

Cost of engines to independent teams will be approximately 50% of 2008 prices.

Unanimous agreement was reached on a list of proposed changes to the Renault engine for 2009; all other engines will remain unchanged. Comparative testing will not be necessary.

Testing

No in-season testing except during race weekend during scheduled practice.

Aerodynamic research

No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009.

A formula to balance wind tunnel-based research against CFD research, if agreed between the teams, will be proposed to the FIA.

Factory activity

Factory closures for six weeks per year, to accord with local laws.

Race weekend

Manpower to be reduced by means of a number of measures, including sharing information on tyres and fuel to eliminate the need for "spotters".

Sporting spectacle

Market research is being conducted to gauge the public reaction to a number of new ideas, including possible changes to qualifying and a proposal for the substitution of medals for points for the drivers. Proposals will be submitted to the FIA when the results of the market research are known.

Note: It is estimated that these changes for 2009 will save the manufacturer teams approximately 30% of their budgets compared to 2008, while the savings for independent teams will be even greater.

2010

Power train

Engines will be available to the independent teams for less than €5 million per team per season. These will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008.

This same engine will continue to be used in 2011 and 2012 (thus no new engine for 2011).

Subject to confirmation of practicability, the same transmission will be used by all teams.

Chassis

A list of all elements of the chassis will be prepared and a decision taken in respect of each element as to whether or not it will remain a performance differentiator (competitive element).

Some elements which remain performance differentiators will be homologated for the season.

Some elements will remain performance differentiators, but use inexpensive materials.

Elements which are not performance differentiators will be prescriptive and be obtained or manufactured in the most economical possible way.

Race weekend

Standardised radio and telemetry systems.

Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on mechanical purging of tyres.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).

Factory activity

Further restrictions on aerodynamic research.

Ban on tyre force rigs (other than vertical force rigs).

Full analysis of factory facilities with a view to proposing further restrictions on facilities.

Longer term

The FIA and FOTA will study the possibility of an entirely new power train for 2013 based on energy efficiency (obtaining more work from less energy consumed). Rules to be framed so as to ensure that research and development of such a power train would make a real contribution to energy-efficient road transport.

An enhanced Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) system is likely to be a very significant element of an energy-efficient power train in the future. In the short term, KERS is part of the 2009 regulations, but is not compulsory. For 2010 FOTA is considering proposals for a standard KERS system. The FIA awaits proposals.

A number of further amendments were adopted for the 2009 and 2010 Sporting and Technical Regulations.

[CMSMJ1]

Interesting news.

Things that stand out for me

No refuelling - great!

shorter races - no!

shared fuel and tyre info - great - so do we know the final fuelling for Q3?

It could have been worse..we will see the market research come out and be ignored regarding medals and race distance.

[WhiteBlue]

with no refuelling there should be no race fuel in Q3. what would be the sense of that? cars have to start being fuelled to the finish. that isn't suitable for qualifying. good news. this will be further emphasise fuel saving as it translates directly to weight saving.

[Metar]

Some stuff is good here - no refuelling, and most of the regulations aren't as terrible as expected...

[Ogami musashi]

The new regulations seem sensible to me, as said i was fearing a lot worse; mosley did won again but i do think those rules will cut the costs while doing little to the "awe".

Now a lot of things are still not defined, the chassis part is still undecided and what will be this new F1 in 2013..

But well that's kinda good.

[Ogami musashi]

Johnbeamer: It seems you see it right; here are very interesting comments about new regs:


(again down to AFCA's translations)

Since the front wings have become as wide as the entire width of the car it will be interesting to see how the engineers are going to solve the problem of guiding the air in between the fronttyres. So far this was predominantly done by the endplates that were positioned a bit diagonally leading the air towards that area. Michael explains: ''With the wide front wings the endplates are positioned too much on the outsides. We will have to be looking for new solutions there.''

There will also be different philosophies as far as the nose is concerned. Clearly BMW Sauber and Williams had different ideas when it came to designing the nose (of their interim cars). BMW Sauber's nose is straight and high whereas Williams' goes a lot more downwards.

Most of the aerodynamic appendages have been done away with. Except for, for instance, the tiny barge boards in the corner of the sidepods. At most it has a surface of ten by ten centimetres. Michael: ''It will be more difficult to control the flow of air towards the rear.''

The rearend is where there's probably most room to play for the engineers. Rampf is looking forward: ''There'll be real diffusors again and they'll have interesting shapes.''

Michael on the cooling (shark gills and chimneys are no longer allowed) : ''The issue of getting rid of cooling air is a big challenge.''

At the very back there's a 50 cm zone where the air should get away. Rampf: ''There you'll see the biggest innovations.''

The new rearwings can comprise of a maximum of two elements at the top and one lower element. Williams has assessed: ''It will be complicated to get the wing to work together with the diffusor because the floor sticks out further backwards.''

So it looks like the BWM rear wing is legal after all.

[Scotracer]

But in the same article:

The new rearwings can comprise of a maximum of two elements at the top and one lower element. Williams has assessed: ''It will be complicated to get the wing to work together with the diffusor because the floor sticks out further backwards.''

[machin]

So it looks like the BWM rear wing is legal after all.

I'm not so sure.... Rule 3.10.1 says you can have one wing element low down (between 300 and 400mm above the reference plane)... and 3.10.2 says you can have two elements above 730mm above the reference plane... so I would suggest that this BMW wing doesn't comply with the 2009 rules....

[mx_tifoso]

About how much hp and torque did the engines lose with the reducion of 1,000rpm?

Thanks in advance.