BBC Max Mosley programme

[manchild]

He has done nothing illegal but had his private sex life exposed

Find me a single scientific document about human sexuality or a statement from a psychiatrist, which will say that person sexually aroused by holocaust-time concentration camp atmosphere (humiliation/whipping/torture) is considered as mentally healthy, and that he should be allowed to make public statements of any kind with such huge pathological problem as part of his personality.

[andrew]

He has done nothing illegal but had his private sex life exposed

Prostitution, both using of and working in is illegal in the UK. There's a broken law right there.

I believe that each and every person should be allowed to a private life that is not in the public eye. However, MrM has broken the law and then somehow sued a newspaper (if you can call the NOTW that) who exposed him in I guess what is classed as a criminal activity. i.e. paying for the services of a couple ladies of the night. What he was doing with them is irrelevant, no matter how distrbing I find it. Certain careers call for a certain image to be portrayed, not only professionally, but personally. MrM failed on both counts in my humble view.

It's a strange coincidence that F1 has improved since MrM departed and quit his meddling ways.

[pob]

Solicitation is illegal in the UK; prostituion is legal. wiki

WB is spot on =D>

[xpensive]

He has done nothing illegal but had his private sex life exposed

An obvious comment to this rather bizarre defense of MrM's personal trauma of being xposed as a pervert, would be that his so-called sex-life was less than private as it was, even without the kind assistance of News of the world.

Anyway, from a philosophical standpoint, there is no such thing as objectivity (Ciro's gonna love this part), everything
we as human beings think, contemplate, plan, conspire, collude and let alone do, is based on our personal subjectivity.
This is precisely why the civilized world seem to have agreed on democracy as the least of the evils available.

In this system, our collective subjectivities are added up in percentages as to decide what laws and rules we should adhere to, banning prostitution on moral as well as human rights ground is one such pax most societies have agreed upon.

Other than that, it's also a matter of public respectability, again based on our collective personal and subjective views, voting for a candidat which openly declares his interest in S&M is one of the less attractive sales-pitches I believe.

[WhiteBlue]

WhiteBlue, I would like to see you supporting this when the privacy law gets in the way of investigating something were a minority was the harmed one. Even though I pretty much support as well a nice privacy law, I guess your agenda here is to show you are against homophobia and such. We get you, I believe most agree with you, but there's no need in having a unnecessarily polarised opinion just to show how good you are as a citizen. First, that proves nothing, second, given Max's particular case it's pretty obvious he has a certain bad behaviour pattern that is reflected in his personal life and is also repeated in his sexual life.

I mean, it's not very nice to be excited by being dominated by someone dressed as a Nazi, especially considering by his comments on this, which seems to support that this is not purely a kinky something he does but a representation of something he likes and that he shouldn't. There are several psychology theories who say clear things about sex and personal behaviour relations, though we must deny the obvious these days to say we are "progressive and correct citizens". There is just where saying and being makes its difference.

BDSM is hugely popular in the British upper class and in other countries as well. If you remove everybody who practises it you would be left without a functioning civil service, police, banks, corporations and a bunch of other institutions. Same goes for cheating on marital promises. If you remove all people doing it you can as well stop having an economy and go back to Neanderthal society rules. I don't have to remind you of Bill Clinton and his blow jobs in the oval office to prove my point. Under Clinton's administration the US saw huge economic progress and welfare for most citizen. When the bigot Bush took office the first thing he did was getting the US involved in a civil war in Iraq squandering the wealth of the nation.

Adult people who spank each other's bum or drip molten candles over each other with mutual consent for getting their rocks off aren't worse or better parents or teachers or members of parliament. These theories are clearly bullshit borne out of pure Hypocrisy. I know that I cannot convince those who deliberately close their eyes to the research results. All I can do is stop the more intelligent people to mindlessly accept theories that have been proven wrong many times.

[Just_a_fan]

BDSM is hugely popular in the British upper class and in other countries as well.

Wow, sweeping accusation there...

[WhiteBlue]

BDSM is hugely popular in the British upper class and in other countries as well.

Wow, sweeping accusation there...

I did not invent it. Just have a look at the advertising for such services. No service is offered without demand. There were many testimonies when the Mosley story broke confirming that BDSM is everywhere in society. If you don't believe me just google "mistress London" The first entry you get is http://www.london-mistresses.com/ a comprehensive listing of professionals offering their services. The number will tell you all you need to know.

[myurr]

BDSM is hugely popular in the British upper class and in other countries as well. If you remove everybody who practises it you would be left without a functioning civil service, police, banks, corporations and a bunch of other institutions. Same goes for cheating on marital promises. If you remove all people doing it you can as well stop having an economy and go back to Neanderthal society rules. I don't have to remind you of Bill Clinton and his blow jobs in the oval office to prove my point. Under Clinton's administration the US saw huge economic progress and welfare for most citizen. When the bigot Bush took office the first thing he did was getting the US involved in a civil war in Iraq squandering the wealth of the nation.

Again hate to nit pick, but Clinton was a disaster for the US, it just took a while for the effects to be seen. One of the changes brought in by his administration was the banking regulations that meant the banks could were forced to abandon many of their credit worthiness checks on low income families, as these were seen as being racist as they predominantly affected the ethnic minorities. Those loans that were forced upon the banks to satisfy Clinton's regulation matured into the sub-prime bubble that triggered the global recession.

Many other countries monetary policies contributed to the severity, but it was the defaults on those loans that triggered the whole thing.

Adult people who spank each other's bum or drip molten candles over each other with mutual consent for getting their rocks off aren't worse or better parents or teachers or members of parliament. These theories are clearly bullshit borne out of pure Hypocrisy. I know that I cannot convince those who deliberately close their eyes to the research results. All I can do is stop the more intelligent people to mindlessly accept theories that have been proven wrong many times.

I completely agree with this, but where I feel Mosley got what he deserved and should just shuffle back into the darkness from whence he came is that he had a long history of smearing people he felt opposed him (or he just didn't like), leaking stories about them, and openly calling into question their moral upstanding. He died by the very sword he so often like to wield upon others.

Frankly since he left F1 it has been a much better and more harmonious place, and I for one wish he had been forced from office many years ago. Not because of his sexual preferences, but because of his inability to handle his job without the need to politicise his entire office and ultimately organisation.

[manchild]

WB, unless you have nothing to put as counter-statement please respond to this viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9590&start=12

[Just_a_fan]

BDSM is hugely popular in the British upper class and in other countries as well.

Wow, sweeping accusation there...

I did not invent it. Just have a look at the advertising for such services. No service is offered without demand. There were many testimonies when the Mosley story broke confirming that BDSM is everywhere in society. If you don't believe me just google "mistress London" The first entry you get is http://www.london-mistresses.com/ a comprehensive listing of professionals offering their services. The number will tell you all you need to know.

Um, that doesn't prove that BDSM is "hugely popular" with the British upper class. It just shows that there are some people who want it. The site mentions "professionals". This might be what you think is "upper class" but in the UK the upper class is not full of professionals.

Oh, and London is not the UK. Although they they seem to think they are most of the time...

[Giblet]

This thread will now be locked. The issues has been settled in the courts, settled by the FIA, and the man is no longer the director. If the thread was in the off topic section and not showing on the front page, it might have remained.

[Steven]

Reopened this thread in off-topic as suggested by Giblet.

However, I'd like to call on members to report nonsense, politics and off-topic posts. We'll take appropriate action and if unavoidable close this permanently.

[autogyro]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yyflw

There was no Nazi theme or reference to the holocaust.
There was no paid sex.

Today there are far to many people who believe they have some unexplained right to dictate what is and what is not acceptable legal behaviour for others in private.

Such mind sets are far more Nazi (dictorial) than the actions of Max Mosley.

[WhiteBlue]

Find me a single scientific document about human sexuality or a statement from a psychiatrist, which will say that person sexually aroused by holocaust-time concentration camp atmosphere (humiliation/whipping/torture) is considered as mentally healthy, and that he should be allowed to make public statements of any kind with such huge pathological problem as part of his personality.

The video which I have seen had no concentration camp atmosphere and such allegations have been classified as made up by the high court. I'm not going to comment messages or posts that second guess the court.

Humiliation/whipping/torture is the standard content of BDSM role play and I do not consider people who practise them within the boundaries of the law pathological. I know enough examples to be able to make such a judgement. Many submissive or switching individuals use such private practises to compensate for stress in their public live where they fulfil their role with great excellence.

[mx_tifoso]

Forget all of the Mosely and BBC stuff, what I find strange is that someone in here is willing to defend and justify BDSM with such fervor.