Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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Scalex wrote:Hello Everybody.. Newbie here.. :-)

I'm sure he means three corners, and I would bet those are Renault, Campsa and New Holland (that is to say long right hander after the first S, 90º right hander before Nissan Straight and quick one before main straight).

Reason is those are the 3 fastest corners...
Yes he meant 3 corners.

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Gene meant 3 sectors. He said, Montmelo circuit has only one long straight and Ferrari is very good on fast curve, so He expects the Ferrari will be fast in 2 of 3 sectors of circuit.
All the new pieces works well in Mugello, so is optimist for the race, to fight for the podium.

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Gene definitely meant three corners. The original in Spanish is very clear.

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16 is nothing like 3 and 9 though. It's an acceleration zone at best. Maybe he meant a different 3? 4 is still more similar IMO
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Guys, I don't want to downplay anyone's enthusiasm, but just wanted to remember that Gene is the same guy talking about "sauber fashioned" exhausts few days before Mugello tests. I strongly hope to be wrong.
Curious, he's referring to the only other (known) team developing reactive suspensions.

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raymondu999 wrote:16 is nothing like 3 and 9 though. It's an acceleration zone at best. Maybe he meant a different 3? 4 is still more similar IMO
Well you need the downforce if you want to be able to deply KERS through the last corner 8) :lol:

Not sure, T16 is a corner you take with a much higher entry speed.
T4 is fairly slow entry and if you cut that corner in half you would pretty much get T16.
But without the "take off ramp" that T16 has.

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HMMM I have to admit I was conditioned by the old "New Holland" or T16. THe "new" RACC Chicane (T 14/15) has slowed entry to T16 by much and it's no longer the wonderful, painfully fast flowing corner it was, but I still have it set like this on my mind... Now entry to it is a bit slower, but still a very -very- fast corner.

Entry to T4 ("repsol", for old school guys :-) ) is quite slow in comparison. Or so it was; I have to admit it makes no sense comparing a normal car (sporty as it may be) with an F1, so...

Well, unless he was referring to T6 (Wurth) but that one has hardly ever been considered as a "corner"...

Having said all that, yes, Marc is not the most relyable source of info IMHO...

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McLaren's Head of Aerodynamics David Sanchez has resigned from the team and is headed to Ferrari. He is friends with Pat Fry and is a welcomed & much needed aerodynamicist in the team.

This move obviously won't immediately pay dividends but it most certainly will in the near future.

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/17823/ ... co-sanchez

edit: added link

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That's fantastic news. I hope we are seeing the beginnings of the next winning era for Ferrari.
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I think Omnicorse have a bit misinterpreted the bit of info they got.
Team leader is a different role than head of aero - it is a middle seniority level
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So who was/is head of aero at Woking then? Is it Iley? Iley has a history of pingponging between Maranello and Woking, so I kind of assumed it was Iley again.
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Very good that they're investing in expertise in aerodynamics, will certainly help them out in the long term.

Couldn't agree more with Montezemolo though, that the regulations "wrongly" move the focus away from mechanical areas of the car and onto aerodynamics. It's very strange to me that a producer of cars is unable to use most of its expertise in producing cars to help its race cars. Just seems to me that that correlation ought to me more important. There's a lot of emphasis on bringing costs down, but there's a logic in including costs that produce a benefit from which profit can be derived - i.e. road cars. That means the net cost can be completely offset.

Of course, that's a manufacturor centric view; personally, I'd prefer to see Ferrari vs. BMW vs. Mercedes vs. Honda vs. Toyota vs. Maserati, but others would rather see Williams vs. Brabham vs. Sauber vs. March vs. that Lord with the race team (whatever they were called). I think the former is more sustainable, however.

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According to this

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2720 ... -caterham/

current mclaren head of aero is Doug mc keirnan.
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shelly wrote:I think Omnicorse have a bit misinterpreted the bit of info they got.
Team leader is a different role than head of aero - it is a middle seniority level
Gazzetta has Sanchez listed as Head Of Aerodynamics as well. Not positive either way though.

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gazzetta says "capo aerodinamico" - they seem to have fallen in the same misunderstanding as omnicorse (maybe the same person gave the hint to the two journalists while attending the fiorano event).

Usually you have head of aero, to whom head of cfd and head of wt report. Under head of wt you have several team leaders, who manage small groups of junior and senior aerodynamicists. So head of aero and team leader are two very differnt roles. Sometimes in hierarchy between head of wt and team leaders there are group leaders (es front, rear).

To see who is head of aero at mclaren now, check mylink above. To check the other role, try googling "aero team leader mclaren" or "aero team leader *team*" to see multiple answers. Or check the always good Peter Wright book on ferrari to get a 2000 scheme of hierarchy, which is old but some how representative.

Omnicorse and gazzetta often have good hints and info, but do not make the little internet effort needed to get them right and give correct news.
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