Jackie Stewart F1 legends question (aka is F1 too safe)

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Jackie Stewart F1 legends question (aka is F1 too safe)

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If anyone saw the episode he´s talking about the "baddest" corner that existed back then, he says that everyone thinks Eau Rouge was the one but really it was " the master" corner.

I can´t for the life of me figure out what corner he´s talking about. I assume it´s Nordschleife but i don´t know of any corner there that´s called Master.

Anyone know what corner he´s talking about?
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Masta Kink

The Masta Kink was one of the most fearsome sections on any race track in the world, requiring skill and bravery in equal measure to get it right. After a long run from Malmedy, the cars would reach top speed before having to negotiate Masta, a high speed left-right chicane, and a good exit speed was vital as it was followed by another long straight run to Stavelot. This was a very fast and very dangerous corner because it was situated right in the middle of 2 very long unbroken straights both about 1½ miles long (2.4 km).
Masta was lost to F1 racing after the 1970 race. Jackie Stewart's crusade to improve safety in racing was set in motion by his crash there in 1966, when his BRM ended upside-down in the cellar of the farmhouse on the outside of the corner, with fuel gushing out of the tank onto Stewart, who had broken ribs to add to his misery. At this point, many of the Formula One drivers disliked Spa (including Stewart and Jim Clark, who had some of his greatest wins there) because of the immense speeds that were constant on the track. While he was spectating at the 1972 12 Hours of Sebring, Stewart attempted to organize a boycott of the Spa 1000 km race that year, a move that was not respected by many of the drivers, because Spa was still popular with racing drivers outside of Formula One. Stewart later compared the old Spa circuit in 1986 as being as ferocious as a tiger,[4] and he later described Masta in an interview in 2011 as perhaps the hardest corner on any racetrack he raced on in his career; even more so than Eau Rouge. [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spa-F ... (1922).jpg

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Edit: can't be certain but try 4:16

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQo8GVruJ14[/youtube]
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woah thanks, should have probably thought one step further and checked earlier versions of SPA.
Thanks again, i can finally put it to rest ;)

Yea wiki is brilliant these days. For most things at least.
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I think you can see it in RF2. Not sure how accurate the track is but should give some idea of the corner.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oHM6wg6wc[/youtube]
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That track would have been terrifying in those days in those cars. Truly worthy of every accolade and respect for not only driving it, but actually pushing the car to the limits on it. Amazing stuff. *tips hat*
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when his BRM ended upside-down in the cellar of the farmhouse on the outside of the corner, with fuel gushing out of the tank onto Stewart, who had broken ribs to add to his misery
I believe you might be mixing two wrecks.
When he took the bath in fuel he did not wind up upside down. Can't sit in a bath upside down.
You're speaking of 66 I think it was.
Hit a farmers shed but did not go upside down. As fuel filled the cockpit he was pinned and they had to borrow tools from a spectator to help extricate him and was why he always raced with tools affixed inside the cockpit.
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Just think...Dan Gurney's Eagle hit 196MPH during the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oB1FBplQJI[/youtube]

Sir Jackie about the 1966 crash.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMFPBWyk24[/youtube]

One lap of SPA with Mauro Bianchi in 1962

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SeijaKessen wrote:Just think...Dan Gurney's Eagle hit 196MPH during the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix.
A track for men, like the Longford-track in Launceston Tasmania, with two railway-crossings and a wooden bridge!

I still love Dan Gurney's quote when certain drivers were trying to protest the "dangerous" speeds at the 1967 Le Mans;

"So you think it's dangerous, perhaps you're driving too fast?"
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SeijaKessen wrote:Just think...Dan Gurney's Eagle hit 196MPH during the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix.
A track for men, like the Longford-track in Launceston Tasmania, with two railway-crossings and a wooden bridge!

I still love Dan Gurney's quote when certain drivers were trying to protest the "dangerous" speeds at the 1967 Le Mans;

"So you think it's dangerous, perhaps you're driving too fast?"
:lol:

Dan Gurney was a fantastic racer. I find it sort of sad that the last time America had any capable driver in Europe was in the 1960s when you had Hill, Ginther, and Gurney over there. I don't really count Mario since he was born in Italy.

As a side note, about 8 1/2 years ago I had the privilege of seeing the 1967 GT40 that Gurney and Foyt drove in person. What a gorgeous car. So badly did I want to rip open the door and sit inside, but I feel that the security would not have appreciated it all that much.

But you know, it brings up another point. When did the drivers become such sissies exactly?

There was a time when they actually would go for gaps and what not. Now they just manage the race as opposed to really taking any chances or pushing unless they might have a chance at winning. Now many of them are like Britney at Merc.

I'd love to see some of the primadonnas on the grid attempt to beat Stefan Bellof's record around the Nordschleife.

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SeijaKessen wrote: But you know, it brings up another point. When did the drivers become such sissies exactly?
Yeah, they're total pussies blasting around Monaco at 190 MPH. :roll:

Ya think maybe the drivers and the FIA kind of got sick of their best drivers DYING ON THE TRACK? Maybe that had something to do with it.

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thearmofbarlow wrote:
SeijaKessen wrote: But you know, it brings up another point. When did the drivers become such sissies exactly?
Yeah, they're total pussies blasting around Monaco at 190 MPH. :roll:

Ya think maybe the drivers and the FIA kind of got sick of their best drivers DYING ON THE TRACK? Maybe that had something to do with it.
I hear quite a few whine about Monaco and those pesky armco barriers being so close to their cars.

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SeijaKessen wrote:But you know, it brings up another point. When did the drivers become such sissies exactly?
SeijaKessen wrote:I'd love to see some of the primadonnas on the grid attempt to beat Stefan Bellof's record around the Nordschleife.
Funny you mention him

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Ah yes...but Stefan, god rest his soul, tried an overtake in a section where most drivers would simply be unwilling to do so.

Certainly the end result was not what I, or anyone else wished, but he saw a gap and went for it.

Isn't that what being a racing driver is all about?

If you want to play percentages, there are far safer endeavors to take up, such as walking or chess.

Keep in mind, the very reason Stefan Bellof was so ungodly fast is because he was also willing to take risks no other drivers would. He had no reservations about it...not sure why we should fault him for doing what he did so well in spite of of the risks. He lived on the limit...but he had a freedom most of us could only dream about.

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SeijaKessen wrote: Isn't that what being a racing driver is all about?
Yeah, it's all about dying in a flaming car. :roll: