2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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dialtone wrote:
21 Jul 2022, 21:56
bluechris wrote:
21 Jul 2022, 21:37
dialtone wrote: They need the update because it's the last power update till 2026. Makes no sense to not do it.
Correct but they can give the newer version 1st to AR or Haas.
Why? They must run the same spec for customers as for themselves, there's no advantage in having them run with it first.
To not hit the Factory team a teething problem. Exactly what RB did with TR before 2021.

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dialtone wrote:
21 Jul 2022, 21:56
bluechris wrote:
21 Jul 2022, 21:37
dialtone wrote: They need the update because it's the last power update till 2026. Makes no sense to not do it.
Correct but they can give the newer version 1st to AR or Haas.
Why? They must run the same spec for customers as for themselves, there's no advantage in having them run with it first.
No, if they give the customers a newer spec or themselves use it earlier it is totally ok. There is no rule that the spec must be equal in all pool engines.
The BIG benefit is that they do not get a grid penalty if they do not run the new spec. As said...there is surely no plan from the beginning to use 4 engines and get a grid penalty.
Even Merc, who is suffering much more degrading performance, is planing with 3 engines.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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Sainz takes a 10-place penalty for CE. So rest of the engine will come too I'm sure - back of the grid start

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Both drivers look comfortable in FP1.

Sainz should be able to move up through the pack quickly given their pace advantage.

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Both cars with the new updated floor for FP2.

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The car is now pretty quick from what I can see and at a circuit that is weak for them previously. Nice job team

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Some work to do on the long runs but not too concerned.

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JPower wrote:
22 Jul 2022, 20:48


Some work to do on the long runs but not too concerned.
May have to deal up the front DF a bit more to avoid graining the front left, with all the force they put in those tyres in T10-11. However their engine was very down on power today so while there's no guarantee they'd be ahead, it's just not representative of actual pace.

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So as we know Ferrari have brought a heavily updated floor this weekend. Since I doubt that they’ve brought it only for France and Hungary, can we expect this floor already to be the one in accordance with the new rules?

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LM10 wrote:
22 Jul 2022, 22:36
So as we know Ferrari have brought a heavily updated floor this weekend. Since I doubt that they’ve brought it only for France and Hungary, can we expect this floor already to be the one in accordance with the new rules?
I suspect that if it actually needs, it can easily be stiffened.
The whole thing was created by Mercedes suspicion rather than anything solid.

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Just here to point out a few things:

It has been a whole season of "Ferrari will lose the development race" (here's one of those https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/109279/m ... speed.html) from EVERYONE, including many Ferrari supporters, and yet here we are, the car is as fast as every other car, updates are coming in and are working, while just about every other team has had at least one bad update, or in Merc's case a lot of them.

Sainz, while this year probably not deserving the driver #1 place, is showing growth.

Strategy mistakes overall have so far only cost Charles less than 20 points in the season, and less than that for Sainz, so overall have been blown out of proportion, so far.

Reliability is the real achilles' heel, losing Charles easily 50+ points, however everyone supporting Ferrari would have signed their first child off to get a fast even if unreliable engine, and nobody dared to dream of having the fastest engine in whatever state.

It's barely half season, and not even the summer break yet, but damn it feels good to have a season like this after 2020 and 2021.

Great job to the team.

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dialtone wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 08:17
Just here to point out a few things:

It has been a whole season of "Ferrari will lose the development race" (here's one of those https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/109279/m ... speed.html) from EVERYONE, including many Ferrari supporters, and yet here we are, the car is as fast as every other car, updates are coming in and are working, while just about every other team has had at least one bad update, or in Merc's case a lot of them.

Sainz, while this year probably not deserving the driver #1 place, is showing growth.

Strategy mistakes overall have so far only cost Charles less than 20 points in the season, and less than that for Sainz, so overall have been blown out of proportion, so far.

Reliability is the real achilles' heel, losing Charles easily 50+ points, however everyone supporting Ferrari would have signed their first child off to get a fast even if unreliable engine, and nobody dared to dream of having the fastest engine in whatever state.

It's barely half season, and not even the summer break yet, but damn it feels good to have a season like this after 2020 and 2021.

Great job to the team.
Strategy mistakes for Leclerc = 29 points in the fight against Max.

Also the car looked terrible in FP3. I hope they didn't take the wrong way with the setup.

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Getting the feeling that Sainz might be gelling with the new floor better than Leclerc - Quali will give the full picture though!

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dialtone wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 08:17
Just here to point out a few things:

It has been a whole season of "Ferrari will lose the development race" (here's one of those https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/109279/m ... speed.html) from EVERYONE, including many Ferrari supporters, and yet here we are, the car is as fast as every other car, updates are coming in and are working, while just about every other team has had at least one bad update, or in Merc's case a lot of them.

Strategy mistakes overall have so far only cost Charles less than 20 points in the season, and less than that for Sainz, so overall have been blown out of proportion, so far.

Reliability is the real achilles' heel, losing Charles easily 50+ points, however everyone supporting Ferrari would have signed their first child off to get a fast even if unreliable engine, and nobody dared to dream of having the fastest engine in whatever state.

It's barely half season, and not even the summer break yet, but damn it feels good to have a season like this after 2020 and 2021.

Great job to the team.
Agreed. Reliability is the biggest issue way more than strategy or development. Credit to the technical/aero team they deserve nonstop praise, though I do think the way the car doesn't translate its superiority in the corners into excellent race pace is odd. Barring the races where Red Bull had clear issues (Austria, Australia, Bahrain) the only time I'd say the car had great race pace was Spain, until reliability struck.

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Xyz22 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 14:02
Strategy mistakes for Leclerc = 29 points in the fight against Max.

Also the car looked terrible in FP3. I hope they didn't take the wrong way with the setup.
I was sleeping for FP3 but from telemetry it didn't look like that:

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just a bit more engine for red bull, in the straights VER gains a lot.