2023 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 03 - 05

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High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

[AR3-GP]

With the threat of rain tomorrow, I'd hate to be on a lower downforce spec.

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With the threat of rain tomorrow, I'd hate to be on a lower downforce spec.

Don't worry. It'll look rainy until 30mins before the race and the sun will come out

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it also seems to be Qualifying only which could be wet, and even there it's only a 30% chance. So unless this changes dramatically, I doubt it will (or should) influence any setup choices.

[101FlyingDutchman]

High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

[Wouter]

it also seems to be Qualifying only which could be wet, and even there it's only a 30% chance. So unless this changes dramatically, I doubt it will (or should) influence any setup choices.

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According to Ventusky on Friday dry until 6 PM. Then is starts to rain a bit and thunderstorms a couple of hours.

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High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 09873?s=20

That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

They used it at Suzuka and were competitive in terms of topspeed with other teams. Their medium and high downforce wings have not been optimized for the upgrades brought towards the end of the season and so they brought a medium-high wing that would work at Zandvoort, Singapore, Suzuka, Qatar, COTA, Mexico and Brazil. They have a Monaco wing that they don't run anymore

[101FlyingDutchman]

High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 09873?s=20

That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

They used it at Suzuka and were competitive in terms of topspeed with other teams. Their medium and high downforce wings have not been optimized for the upgrades brought towards the end of the season and so they brought a medium-high wing that would work at Zandvoort, Singapore, Suzuka, Qatar, COTA, Mexico and Brazil. They have a Monaco wing that they don't run anymore

Thanks mate. Wasn’t aware of the chronology of things

[Cs98]

High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 09873?s=20

That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

They used it at Suzuka and were competitive in terms of topspeed with other teams. Their medium and high downforce wings have not been optimized for the upgrades brought towards the end of the season and so they brought a medium-high wing that would work at Zandvoort, Singapore, Suzuka, Qatar, COTA, Mexico and Brazil. They have a Monaco wing that they don't run anymore

Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

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That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

They used it at Suzuka and were competitive in terms of topspeed with other teams. Their medium and high downforce wings have not been optimized for the upgrades brought towards the end of the season and so they brought a medium-high wing that would work at Zandvoort, Singapore, Suzuka, Qatar, COTA, Mexico and Brazil. They have a Monaco wing that they don't run anymore

Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

You are right that this isn't the same as Mexico, Singapore etc. My bad!

AMuS from today (Brazil GP 2023)



But it is the wing we saw at Zandvoort



but not Suzuka (where they ran this endplate corner)

[Cs98]

They used it at Suzuka and were competitive in terms of topspeed with other teams. Their medium and high downforce wings have not been optimized for the upgrades brought towards the end of the season and so they brought a medium-high wing that would work at Zandvoort, Singapore, Suzuka, Qatar, COTA, Mexico and Brazil. They have a Monaco wing that they don't run anymore

Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

You are right that this isn't the same as Mexico, Singapore etc. My bad!

AMuS from today (Brazil GP 2023)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 049349.jpg

But it is the wing we saw at Zandvoort

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... image0.jpg

Then it is their high DF wing.

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Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

You are right that this isn't the same as Mexico, Singapore etc. My bad!

AMuS from today (Brazil GP 2023)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 049349.jpg

But it is the wing we saw at Zandvoort

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... image0.jpg

Then it is their high DF wing.

The wing on the car @ Zandvoort (friday, but not used in the race) and now @ Brazil is definitely not high downforce

Here's Stella on that rear wing:

“So yesterday [Friday] we had a new rear wing, which is a slightly lower drag, lower downforce than the maximum downforce wing that we had before and that we used in Hungary.

“The wing we had yesterday is suitable for this track in dry conditions, not necessarily in wet conditions. So we will see today what wing we are going to use for the remainder of the weekend.

If the wing was high downforce, it wouldn't be chosen against due to rain.. They also didn't use this rear wing @ COTA, Mexico, Singapore because the other wing configuration is higher downforce.

[mwillems]

High for RB, high for merc, Med-high for McLaren and medium-high for Ferrari

That MCL wing looks about as high DF. Not medium if you ask me

If you look at the main plane of the Merc, you can see the difference, the Mclaren wing is doing less in that area. Mclaren often test it alongside the Medium wing as they overlap in performance, or at least sit very close to each other at the ends of their setup spectrum. This "winglet" on the top element is also more efficient than what they ran in Japan, for less DF.

The Merc wing is their High DF Monaco wing, we are not using our Monaco wing here, nor the High DF wing that was ultimately run at Zandvoort in the wet.

[mwillems]

Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

You are right that this isn't the same as Mexico, Singapore etc. My bad!

AMuS from today (Brazil GP 2023)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 049349.jpg

But it is the wing we saw at Zandvoort

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... image0.jpg

Then it is their high DF wing.

They didn't run this wing in Zandoort and were quoted as saying it didn't produce enough DF for the race.

[mwillems]

Those are two different wings though. They have a high DF wing with the novel top flap mounting that RB has here, which they've ran at most circuits recently. Then they have a different slightly lower DF wing they ran at Suzuka, which to my eyes is the one in the picture. That one has a normal upper flap mount.

You are right that this isn't the same as Mexico, Singapore etc. My bad!

AMuS from today (Brazil GP 2023)

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 049349.jpg

But it is the wing we saw at Zandvoort

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... image0.jpg

Then it is their high DF wing.

I think that the wing is more configurable then previous wings and the range it can pass through takes it from the mid range medium through to the lower high DF range, and hence sits inbetween the medium and High DF wings, but is not medium, and not high! Take a look at the Monaco wings, Haas ran a beast, we didn't even produce a Max DF wing for Monaco, just the High DF wing. This wing is much smaller than many of the Monaco wings, smaller than our own Monaco wing.