Williams FW46 Speculation

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organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:06
Alex Albon says this year's car will be "definitely different" compared to previous ones.
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Hopefully they've pivoted to a more balanced downforce profile from their longstanding straightline emphasis.

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CaribouBread wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:45
organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:06
Alex Albon says this year's car will be "definitely different" compared to previous ones.
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Hopefully they've pivoted to a more balanced downforce profile from their longstanding straightline emphasis.
I think they have room to afford that, but whether it was intentional is a different story. it's always seemed they really struggle to find downforce and that's what end up giving them very low drag.
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CaribouBread wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:45
organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:06
Alex Albon says this year's car will be "definitely different" compared to previous ones.
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Hopefully they've pivoted to a more balanced downforce profile from their longstanding straightline emphasis.
Same. And I hope they fixed the low speed locking that they suffer with in some corner profiles. Was better last year but not solved

Interestingly they chose not to reveal their rear suspension layout for 2024, so maybe a change to this can be expected (ie to push-rod from pull) - good spot by @RacEng2 on twitter
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organic wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 18:07
Same. And I hope they fixed the low speed locking that they suffer with in some corner profiles. Was better last year but not solved

Interestingly they chose not to reveal their rear suspension layout for 2024, so maybe a change to this can be expected (ie to push-rod from pull) - good spot by @RacEng2 on twitter
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Kinda disappointed that they stuck to push rod front suspension, they have a red bull suspension guy in who is leading the vehicle concept design. Presume they will stick to whatever rear suspension and gearbox that Mercedes makes which has failed to deliver this formula. So it looks like Sauber/ Stake F1 has now also gone the Redbull, McLaren philosophy. Pretty much half the team will have that layout, hopefully they don't leave them behind.

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CaribouBread wrote:
05 Feb 2024, 17:45
Hopefully they've pivoted to a more balanced downforce profile from their longstanding straightline emphasis.
Contrary to popular belief, most of Williams's recent cars were not great in a straight line. In fact, they had the draggiest car on the grid for years.
Their 2014–2017 cars emphasized low drag over maximum downforce, with decreasing amounts of effectiveness.
But for 2018, Williams shifted towards a higher drag concept in search for more downforce. From then on, they suffered from high drag and poor aero efficiency.
George Russell about the 2019 car:
"Everybody knows we're struggling with downforce, but probably not a lot of people know that we have an incredible amount of drag on the car as well, [it is] incredibly slow in the straights.
"[At Spa] we were up to two seconds slower on the straight versus the quickest cars, a second slower on the straight versus anyone else. So it was incredibly difficult for us.
And about the 2020 car:
“Even though we have the strongest engine in the back we are by far the ‘draggiest’ car on the grid
"Compared to the Racing Point and the Mercedes we are a huge amount of speed down on them, purely because the car is so draggy.
“That is why you’ve seen us go really strong in Budapest the last two years because it is not a power sensitive circuit as such.
"On paper you think, ‘Well, we have a Mercedes, we should be flying in Spa and Monza’," he acknowledged.
"[But] it’s not the case, because unfortunately aerodynamically we have really poor efficiency in the car and that will actually make it really tough for us.”

The 2021 car lost some drag and gained downforce, and paid for it with an increased aero sensitivity. It was the only Williams car in that period which could be considered to perform well in a straight line.

It wasn't until the 2022 regulations were introduced that Williams finally lost the development baggage they had been carrying around since 2018 and built a high-efficiency low drag car again.

Dave Robson last year sounded wary of sacrificing their straight line advantage, remembering how it backfired in the past:
The challenge for Williams heading into 2024 and the FW46 is to keep adding downforce without losing the straightline efficiency that has been its trump card in recent years.
"I think it is still possible," says Robson. "We'll have to see obviously, that's the kind of decision that we've got to make day in and day out in the wind tunnel, when you get something that delivers more downforce or delivers the downforce in a way you hope will be more useful to the drivers, but it adds drag. It's difficult to know.
"Not least because we know from five or six years ago when you add the drag, and then you regret it, it's bloody difficult to get it back off again when it sort of becomes baked into the car. So I think it is possible.
Red Bull showed in 2022 and 2023 that with great aero efficiency you can be fastest in the corners while being among the fastest on the straights as well. It shows just how much potential there is to gain downforce without adding significantly more drag. Williams in its current state is not capable of such feats, but they should be able to make meaningful downforce gains without having to abandon their low drag concept. Finally fixing their handling and balance issues, which persevered across regulation changes, might be more important though.
Vowles said earlier this year that this had been their focus:
“We've added downforce, but actually the main thing we've been working on is the behaviour and characteristics of the car.
“I think there's quite an untapped potential in that, so we can move forward. How much is hard to say though.”
This perhaps provides some context to the Albon quotes about a "definitely different" car shared earlier. It suggests the differences in philosophy might be less in the aero concept and more in the general handling and behaviour.