2024 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Feb 29 - Mar 02

[dia6olo]

Adding further to my post, comparing LEC against VER in the 2nd stint is very unfair, despite the brake issue, LEC was 0.6-7s/lap faster than RUS but couldn't attempt a pass, and had to spend the whole stint behind RUS losing him a lot of time.

Exactly, people have a habit of looking at stints blindly or they are very selective with what they look at.
Ultimately the race is from A to B and the final time is the gap between the teams.
And even then it's far from black and white because of the many reasons mentioned in previous posts.

[Fluido]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

[venkyhere]

Ultimately the race is from A to B and the final time is the gap between the teams.

Completely disagree. Final time is going to include pit stop duration differences, safety car times, blue flag lapping time lost etc. Whereas comparing stints on the same tyre is far more representative.

[hollus]

Every car had weight issues, RB didn't weigh 20kgs more than the Ferrari. The technical gremlins didn't stop us from seeing the fact that the Ferrari was faster in Bahrain and MUCH faster in Australia, the two races Max DNFd. Besides, shedding weight costs money under the cap too.

Then TD39 came and the whole concept went bust and wasted a year on fixing it, definitely on Ferrari this last one but still... Reiterate it's OT here. We should reopen that other thread so we can chat about this there as it's more fun than the season we're about to see.

I have asked politely about the possibility, keeps the team/race threads more on topic....and of course saves moderation and deleted posts.

OK, let's give it another try. It is in the General chat section and it is re-opened.

[chrisc90]

Then TD39 came and the whole concept went bust and wasted a year on fixing it, definitely on Ferrari this last one but still... Reiterate it's OT here. We should reopen that other thread so we can chat about this there as it's more fun than the season we're about to see.

I have asked politely about the possibility, keeps the team/race threads more on topic....and of course saves moderation and deleted posts.

OK, let's give it another try. It is in the General chat section and it is re-opened.

Thanks!

[AmateurDriver]

Much closer in final stint, but Max was probably on 1/2 throttle mode.

So, one should judge degradation to figure that stuff out.

MAX had worse deg in stint 2 and 3 than SAI, your graphs show that well too.

Max was 0.8s/lap faster in stint 2, between laps 17 and 32, Max avg pace was 1.35.444 and SAI was 1.36.238, from the telemetry I saw of the average lap, a LOT of time was lost by Sainz in T6-7 and T11-12-13, corners that LEC simply also gaining time to SAI, but had to deal with the brake issue. But even SAI could have probably gone faster had he wanted to use his tires more, but I suppose was never concerned with beating MAX as he was anyway out of reach.

It makes sense that the real gap is somewhere around 0.5s/lap on that second stint.

Deg-wise SAI also did great in the first stint considering how far behind he started. On the last stint SAI was just not fast being just 0.1s/lap faster than LEC from lap 36 to 57 who had brake issues and had to brake early in practically every corner with clear traction issues in T11 as a result of lacking front braking.

Max, while certainly managing, always had worse deg than SAI so I'd question the 1/2 throttle narrative, he probably has more in the tank certainly but 1/2 throttle is not it.

Exactly. VER and SAI were not down to the same "program" during stint 2. Clearly a much more conservative approach for SAI. His final lap (of stint 2) nearly matched his second. VER lap times instead increased steadily adding up 1 full second from fastest to last. The fastest laps of the stint were indeed quite similar for the two drivers.

[stephen]

After seeing the race yesterday, it looks highly likely that Red Bull will be winning the constructors championship by the end of September. No team looked any way close to them in the first race of the season and it is very likely that we are going to see the same thing throughout the season.

[Artur Craft]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

By the end of 25, Max will be close to Schumacher´s 91 wins or even have surpassed it, already. Then, just a little more and he will become the greatest winner of F1´s history. How´s that for you all?

[AR3-GP]

I dont understand why ferrari and merc dont switch to 2026 car?
They will just loose money and never catch up RB..

They agreed to regulations forbidding 2026 car work before Jan 2025.

[Seanspeed]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

By the end of 25, Max will be close to Schumacher´s 91 wins or even have surpassed it, already. Then, just a little more and he will become the greatest winner of F1´s history. How´s that for you all?

Just tells me how we shouldn't judge people by records when things aren't actually equal between eras in terms of opportunity for such stats.

And I'm not some Max hater, I think Max might well have an argument for GOAT when all is said and done, but I dont think raw win numbers are gonna be the best argument for it. Just the same as I dont think it was for Lewis breaking Schumi's win record.

[Watto]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

By the end of 25, Max will be close to Schumacher´s 91 wins or even have surpassed it, already. Then, just a little more and he will become the greatest winner of F1´s history. How´s that for you all?

Just tells me how we shouldn't judge people by records when things aren't actually equal between eras in terms of opportunity for such stats.

And I'm not some Max hater, I think Max might well have an argument for GOAT when all is said and done, but I dont think raw win numbers are gonna be the best argument for it. Just the same as I dont think it was for Lewis breaking Schumi's win record.

I honestly don't like comparing drivers of different eras. More races now etc kinda throw that out very different cars makes it very very hard.

[Mr5in1]

I am a Lewis fan, but hats off to Red Bull and Max, savage race pace, control, consistency and execution, with the lack of rule changes you could argue teams should catch up and I did hope this would be the case for 2024, but Newey and his team have found another level of performance. a telling sign for me that the car is dominant is how easily Perez finished 2nd.

I hope other tracks might be closer but when it counts I am sure Max will make the difference, I am keen to see how the Red Bull is in front limited tracks and when Charles's car doesn't have brake temp imbalance and Mercedes don't close off all their cooling.

My only complaint is I spend £25 / month to Sky in the UK to hear the Dutch / Austrian anthems 3-4 times a month

[venkyhere]

Someone has done a nice "average race laptime across S and H compounds" metric for each driver.




Unexpected surprises :
1. Look where HUL is (proves that HAAS eating their tyres is history)
2. Look at the gap between GAS and OCO
3. There isn't much between ALB and SAR

[Fluido]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

By the end of 25, Max will be close to Schumacher´s 91 wins or even have surpassed it, already. Then, just a little more and he will become the greatest winner of F1´s history. How´s that for you all?

F1 is not competition between drivers, it is competition between engineers, drivers are just here to drive their products.

If you want look at competition between drivers than they all have to drive same car, this is cup.
Number of titles, wins, poles are comparable only between teammates...

[Fluido]

RB will win 95% of races in 2024/2025.

By the end of 25, Max will be close to Schumacher´s 91 wins or even have surpassed it, already. Then, just a little more and he will become the greatest winner of F1´s history. How´s that for you all?

Just tells me how we shouldn't judge people by records when things aren't actually equal between eras in terms of opportunity for such stats.

And I'm not some Max hater, I think Max might well have an argument for GOAT when all is said and done, but I dont think raw win numbers are gonna be the best argument for it. Just the same as I dont think it was for Lewis breaking Schumi's win record.

That is reason why F1 can never be Olympic sport.
It is like comparing apples with pears.