2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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piast9 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:08
e30ernest wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:00
MtthsMlw wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 17:58
What a great idea the HALO was
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_GKyQ1X0AA ... name=large
Holy cow.... Wow....

The Halo definitely did its job there. Still they'll have to look into better ways of preventing a wheel from intruding into the cockpit like that.
What worries me is that we have had at least two serious accidents (Grossjean and Hamilton) recently in which the halo saved drivers health and possibly even lives. Something has changed that such severe accidents happen. Maybe the cars are too powerful after all...
Hopefully the FIA are continuing to look at ways to improve the safety. I see all these close calls and start thinking they are falling behind a little in what is required. Praising the present measures does not guarantee future success. There has to be some lessons learned that should be incorporated from the original/current design.

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Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.
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FIA doesn’t penalize based on consequences which is what you’re calling for here.
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Steven wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:15
Ryar wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:05
zeph wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:03

Please, the corner was Hamilton's.
How? If a car is "significantly alongside", it's a corner for both cars. Definitely not one car's when that car is coming from pit with colder tyres and brakes, missing the turn 1 apex.
When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?
Since Austria this year, the stewards have emphasized that, if a car is alongside, then no one can claim the corner and should leave space. I am not defending Max on what happened on lap 1 at Roggia.
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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Just saw a clip after the crash showing VER trying to accelerate - what the hell was he doing?

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Like the race ban for Lewis after the British GP, I dig it.

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Nathanael F1 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:19
FIA doesn’t penalize based on consequences which is what you’re calling for here.
They certainly do. It is in their books. That is why Grojan got race ban.

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Steven wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:15
Ryar wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:05
zeph wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:03

Please, the corner was Hamilton's.
How? If a car is "significantly alongside", it's a corner for both cars. Definitely not one car's when that car is coming from pit with colder tyres and brakes, missing the turn 1 apex.
When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?
Exactly correct! I have no idea why people are fighting this so much . Max should have backed out or aborted, instead he sent it as he knew he was about to lose points to Lewis. Simple.
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Hakuna Matata!

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NathanOlder wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:21
Steven wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:15
Ryar wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:05
How? If a car is "significantly alongside", it's a corner for both cars. Definitely not one car's when that car is coming from pit with colder tyres and brakes, missing the turn 1 apex.
When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?
Exactly correct! I have no idea why people are fighting this so much . Max should have backed out or aborted, instead he sent it as he knew he was about to lose points to Lewis. Simple.
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zeph wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:15
Ban is maybe too harsh, but definitely some penalty
Yeah, no way a ban lol. A grid penalty is all thats needed.
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TimW wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:16
piast9 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:08
e30ernest wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:00


Holy cow.... Wow....

The Halo definitely did its job there. Still they'll have to look into better ways of preventing a wheel from intruding into the cockpit like that.
What worries me is that we have had at least two serious accidents (Grossjean and Hamilton) recently in which the halo saved drivers health and possibly even lives. Something has changed that such severe accidents happen. Maybe the cars are too powerful after all...
I was going to comment the same. Amazing that a few years ago there was a discussion of it was necessary. Now we see it preventing several severe injuries, or worse, per year.
I wonder also if risk taking has increased because drivers feel more protected.
Definitely that. I feel because of the outstanding safety now, some of the younger drivers aren't really worried about playing bumper cars.

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Nathanael F1 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:19
FIA doesn’t penalize based on consequences which is what you’re calling for here.
And rightly so.

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DChemTech wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:18
Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.
Ihave a tiny tiny feeling that its only happening because of what happened at Silverstone. Bit of a wind up retaliation.
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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Nathanael F1 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 18:19
FIA doesn’t penalize based on consequences which is what you’re calling for here.
And yet it was exactly what some of Max's fan on here were clamouring for after Silverstone. Sauce for the goose...
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