2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Shrieker]

Max should get a 5 place grid penalty again like he did in Monza.

I think that'd be too harsh, but they need to let him and his team know that it's over and he shouldn't race dirty anymore.

Bullying your opponents off the road -which is what he's almost always done- isn't wheel to wheel racing skill, but putting on display lack thereof. People shouldn't have to avoid you because of the trouble you're causing, stop doing it, or there'll be consequences is the clear message he should receive.

He should've been reigned in loooong ago tho.

[Shrieker]

Best man and package should win on the track, within the confines of honest hard but fair racing.

I like this entire post; couldn't have put it better myself

[ringo]

Max should get a 5 place grid penalty again like he did in Monza.

I think that'd be too harsh, but they need to let him and his team know that it's over and he shouldn't race dirty anymore.

Bullying your opponents off the road -which is what he's almost always done- isn't wheel to wheel racing skill, but putting on display lack thereof. People shouldn't have to avoid you because of the trouble you're causing, stop doing it, or there'll be consequences is the clear message he should receive.

He should've been reigned in loooong ago tho.

Well for me, other drivers like Russel have been penalized when honestly racing and causing an accident.
This is intentionally setting up an accident to keep the lead in the championship; then followed by intentionally breaking another rule by weaving on the straight. It's a total disregard of the rules. If Hamilton did both.. he would have a race ban. A 5 place penalty is actually light, because he would be able to race to P-2 or P-3 anyway.
In fact losing 2nd to Bottas is probably a bigger setback.
My point is the driver has to be materially punished. His behavior is the worst I have seen ever in F-1. I do not recall another driver breaking the rules twice, then mouthing off to the stewards after.

[djones]

It's quite smart because they are saying it was evidence not available at the time, therefore they are not saying they did a poor job.

For the sake of stopping Max from doing this all the time, it should be a 5-second penalty. Otherwise, he is basically going to try and finish the championship by just crashing into Lewis.

[andrewf1]

Max should get a 5 place grid penalty again like he did in Monza.

I think that'd be too harsh, but they need to let him and his team know that it's over and he shouldn't race dirty anymore.

right. So kinda like a blag-and-white flag?
"Yeah perfect, say hi" - Max Verstappen.

He'll surely listen.

[AeroDynamic]

Max should get a 5 place grid penalty again like he did in Monza.

Bullying your opponents off the road -which is what he's almost always done- isn't wheel to wheel racing skill, but putting on display lack thereof. People shouldn't have to avoid you because of the trouble you're causing, stop doing it, or there'll be consequences is the clear message he should receive.

He should've been reigned in loooong ago tho.

It’s just a cowardly way to go about racing.

It means you don’t feel confident you’re fast enough to stay ahead, or take the lead back (like Checo)

In life, some people like a rigged game, you know what I mean?

It’s like the end of ‘Gladiator’ the emperor decided to settle a fight in front of the audience in the colosseum. But he stabs the competitor while chained up, to weaken him, to have an unfair advantage. He did it because he could. Doesn’t mean you should.

Just because you can force someone outside of the track so they can’t race you around corners, doesn’t mean you should. That is not a real racer.

It’s like them type of people who have frightened fists; act like they would have a fight with you but are too afraid to throw them thangs up and box with you. They run to the trunk of their car and get a weapon because actually they don’t want the funk. That means you a punk. That’s not keeping it real

[Wil992]

Ironically, "getting away with it" during the race could end being bad for Verstappen. If he'd been given a 5 sec penalty during the race, he'd have known about it at the time and would have been able to try and make sure he finished 5 secs ahead of Bottas, which i think he would have been able to achieve.
If the same 5 sec penalty is applied now, it's too late for him to do anything about it (barring appeals/whatever), he'll drop to 3rd.

[kenshi_blind]

If the FIA unexpectedly do penalise max, they should put points on his licence. I don’t agree with penalising him at the next race, I want a straight fight on equal footing in the remaining races. I do think he should be demoted to P3 for the Brazilian GP race result though.

I wholeheartedly agree with this

[KeiKo403]

It’s good of Mercedes to give the FIA an opportunity to double down on their let them race this is perfectly acceptable stance

[siskue2005]

There was no investigation to protest though. If the stewards would’ve investigated and came to a ‘no action required’ decision then that’s a decision Mercedes could protest/appeal, no such investigation occurred though.

There’s no formal investigation documents on the FIA website for this incident, if there was then the usual wording about appealing the decision etc would be there to allow Mercedes to ask the incident to be re-reviewed.

Unless there is a mechanism for the FIA (either off their own back, or with pressure from Mercedes) to instigate in review of the incident then nothing can be done. It’s unlikely the FIA would do this too as it would risk making the stewards look incompetent by not even declaring the incident will be reviewed after the race, when Max’s onboards would’ve been available to them.

There is no such rule
Anyone can protest any results of the weekend

Like I said few hours ago, they can indeed appeal it and I am glad they did!

After all the shenanigan RBR pulled in Silverstone this is coming to bite them back

The way Honer and co whine about that on TV and radio, then when this happened, Karma coming back

[Andres125sx]

I´ve just watched the race... FIA is a joke, Max move was a straight forward penalty. If it´s allowed to push you rival out of track to prevent an overtake racing is done.

I´m glad Lewis finally got the victory, but it should have been a Mercedes 1-2.

Max still a dirty driver, despite lately he was showing some maturity, when things go south he still show himself

[AeroDynamic]

I´ve just watched the race... FIA is a joke, Max move was a straight forward penalty. If it´s allowed to push you rival out of track to prevent an overtake racing is done.

I´m glad Lewis finally got the victory, but it should have been a Mercedes 1-2.

Max still a dirty driver, despite lately he was showing some maturity, when things go south he still show himself

Gotta call a spade a spade. I’m afraid.


When a man shows you who he is, believe them the first time.

[Big Tea]

There was no investigation to protest though. If the stewards would’ve investigated and came to a ‘no action required’ decision then that’s a decision Mercedes could protest/appeal, no such investigation occurred though.

There’s no formal investigation documents on the FIA website for this incident, if there was then the usual wording about appealing the decision etc would be there to allow Mercedes to ask the incident to be re-reviewed.

Unless there is a mechanism for the FIA (either off their own back, or with pressure from Mercedes) to instigate in review of the incident then nothing can be done. It’s unlikely the FIA would do this too as it would risk making the stewards look incompetent by not even declaring the incident will be reviewed after the race, when Max’s onboards would’ve been available to them.

There is no such rule
Anyone can protest any results of the weekend

Like I said few hours ago, they can indeed appeal it and I am glad they did!

After all the shenanigan RBR pulled in Silverstone this is coming to bite them back

The way Honer and co whine about that on TV and radio, then when this happened, Karma coming back

I believe, and this is just what I seem to recall so may not be correct, the notice of action must be given within a set time of the end of the race for any penalty to be applied.
I think it is to do with bookies paying out on results, and not being able to change things after a deadline.

I have looked for this 'rule' but can not find it though, so maybe it was the beer again.

Edit to reiterate, it does not mean can not appeal, just no action that will affect the results may be implemented.
This still allows fines, points etc.

[siskue2005]

Self explanatory

[djones]

Max was 40 Kph faster than the previous lap?

I.e. was literally never going to do anything other than going straight on and crash unless the other car went off the track to avoid it.