A quick turnaround at the start and a tense battle for the lead earned Lewis Hamilton victory in the Brazilian Grand Prix. Max Verstappen was aggressive and eventually finished second, ahead of Mercedes' Bottas.
Go back to Bahrain. What was Max’s position on that FIA intervention to give the place back? “Why didn’t you let me go? I could’ve easily made those 5 seconds”
That’s Max’s game summed up really. He might as well be naughty with Lewis in that scenario, what’s the worse that can happen? 5 seconds? He’s probably gonna finish p2 anyway, he might as well take the risk to keep p1. That’s even if it warrants 5 seconds. If you get some chicken sh1t response from the FIA - ‘black flag’ what’s that gonna do? It don carry over into the future and you only need to play that hand once. To which you can say, “yeah perfect. Say hi”
The fia have got the rules of the game all fukked up. They should penalise drivers with championship points: 1 point for a black flag . Drivers care about pts not warnings. And don’t get me started on license points, that’s like a handful of yellow cards to play.
Well, if the FIA properly administered track limits in that race rather than allowing Hamilton to run off 29 times, he'd at least have 3 of those 5 seconds back already. But in that case, he'd probably also have more chances at an actual clean overtake
Go back to Bahrain. What was Max’s position on that FIA intervention to give the place back? “Why didn’t you let me go? I could’ve easily made those 5 seconds”
That’s Max’s game summed up really. He might as well be naughty with Lewis in that scenario, what’s the worse that can happen? 5 seconds? He’s probably gonna finish p2 anyway, he might as well take the risk to keep p1. That’s even if it warrants 5 seconds. If you get some chicken sh1t response from the FIA - ‘black flag’ what’s that gonna do? It don carry over into the future and you only need to play that hand once. To which you can say, “yeah perfect. Say hi”
The fia have got the rules of the game all fukked up. They should penalise drivers with championship points: 1 point for a black flag . Drivers care about pts not warnings. And don’t get me started on license points, that’s like a handful of yellow cards to play.
Well, if the FIA properly administered track limits in that race rather than allowing Hamilton to run off 29 times, he'd at least have 3 of those 5 seconds back already. But in that case, he'd probably also have more chances at an actual clean overtake
100. ol Lewis, being a wily fox, taking da piss with track limits. He won though so you can’t knock that game.
Go back to Bahrain. What was Max’s position on that FIA intervention to give the place back? “Why didn’t you let me go? I could’ve easily made those 5 seconds”
That’s Max’s game summed up really. He might as well be naughty with Lewis in that scenario, what’s the worse that can happen? 5 seconds? He’s probably gonna finish p2 anyway, he might as well take the risk to keep p1. That’s even if it warrants 5 seconds. If you get some chicken sh1t response from the FIA - ‘black flag’ what’s that gonna do? It don carry over into the future and you only need to play that hand once. To which you can say, “yeah perfect. Say hi”
The fia have got the rules of the game all fukked up. They should penalise drivers with championship points: 1 point for a black flag . Drivers care about pts not warnings. And don’t get me started on license points, that’s like a handful of yellow cards to play.
Well, if the FIA properly administered track limits in that race rather than allowing Hamilton to run off 29 times, he'd at least have 3 of those 5 seconds back already. But in that case, he'd probably also have more chances at an actual clean overtake
100. ol Lewis, being a wily fox, taking da piss with track limits. He won though so you can’t knock that game.
He won indeed, and those 7 disputable points may come in very handy in the end (of course, no guarantee that Max would have won otherwise - he'd still need to overtake Lewis on track, but at least would have had more time to do so). But it shows FIA has made disputable judgements favouring both drivers, for all those that scream that 'rules don't apply to Max' or 'FIA is in the hands of RB' or whatnot...
Well, if the FIA properly administered track limits in that race rather than allowing Hamilton to run off 29 times, he'd at least have 3 of those 5 seconds back already. But in that case, he'd probably also have more chances at an actual clean overtake
100. ol Lewis, being a wily fox, taking da piss with track limits. He won though so you can’t knock that game.
He won indeed, and those 7 disputable points may come in very handy in the end (of course, no guarantee that Max would have won otherwise - he'd still need to overtake Lewis on track, but at least would have had more time to do so). But it shows FIA has made disputable judgements favouring both drivers, for all those that scream that 'rules don't apply to Max' or 'FIA is in the hands of RB' or whatnot...
I don’t agree. They said they weren’t monitoring the track limits there, and they have been monitoring track limits since. For everyone.
We are talking about Max’s manouvres against other drivers. That is far from consistent this season, and that is reality, not opinion.
IMO, Mercedes are appealing to the stewards not to get Max a retrospective penalty but to make sure that should Max do a Shummi/Senna and take Lewis out the penalty will be large (no points, one race ban etc.). If Merc do not appeal now it would just be a 10 sec penalty for ending Lewis’s race. Wise move.
100. ol Lewis, being a wily fox, taking da piss with track limits. He won though so you can’t knock that game.
He won indeed, and those 7 disputable points may come in very handy in the end (of course, no guarantee that Max would have won otherwise - he'd still need to overtake Lewis on track, but at least would have had more time to do so). But it shows FIA has made disputable judgements favouring both drivers, for all those that scream that 'rules don't apply to Max' or 'FIA is in the hands of RB' or whatnot...
I don’t agree. They said they weren’t monitoring the track limits there, and they have been monitoring track limits since. For everyone.
We are talking about Max’s manouvres against other drivers. That is far from consistent this season, and that is reality, not opinion.
And I say not (or erratically) monitoring track limits is a mistake on behalf of the FIA, because it introduces ambiguity on how far one can exploit run-off areas to gain advantages, and well, it's against the rules that state cars should race on the track. If the FIA take their own rules seriously, this should not have been allowed - and by turning a blind eye until it was addressed by other teams, one driver in particular benefited. It's another situation, but that doesn't mean that 'the FIA always rules in favor of RB/Max'. They don't.
Literally every driver disagrees with any decision that goes against them, always. Obviously Verstappen disagrees with receiving a warning for weaving, so he makes a small joke: Oh did they wave at me, tell them I said hi. There is literally nothing to it, its humor. In the same weekend, Wolff is like F them all, everyone is against us and a whole load of bs disrespecting the sport. Its quite obvious which team is most deserving of punishment for their words, its not Red Bull.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and hit someone on the outside on the backwheel its a 10 sec penalty.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and are level with someone on the outside with no contact than logically thats probably not a penalty. Had the stewards done their job at previous races, then they could have punished this move as it should have been, unfortunately their hands were tied, due to precedent.
Max has gotten away with moves, that other drivers won't have gotten away with over the years. He expects other drivers to get out of his way and when they don't he tends to carry on, as usually he won't get penalised for it. From a safety perspective it's not a good thing for any driver to feel like they are untouchable by the stewards. And Lewis is no saint when it comes to overtakes, he has however been penalised for them over this career. My worry with Max is he's going to push things too far and cause a massive accident if he's not careful.
I don't think Masi has the chops to be Race Director, you need someone that's tough with the teams but also
fair. He should have known not reviewing the incident between Lewis and Max after the race once they'd gained all footage would cause a media stink. That was an easily avoidable PR nightmare for the FIA.
Literally every driver disagrees with any decision that goes against them, always. Obviously Verstappen disagrees with receiving a warning for weaving, so he makes a small joke: Oh did they wave at me, tell them I said hi. There is literally nothing to it, its humor. In the same weekend, Wolff is like F them all, everyone is against us and a whole load of bs disrespecting the sport. Its quite obvious which team is most deserving of punishment for their words, its not Red Bull.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and hit someone on the outside on the backwheel its a 10 sec penalty. If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and are level with someone on the outside with no contact than logically thats probably not a penalty. Had the stewards done their job at previous races, then they could have punished this move as it should have been, unfortunately their hands were tied, due to precedent.
If you genuinely miss a corner then its absolutely no penalty, just see gasly s move on Alonso into turn 1
But it was very clear to everyone even before the onboard footage came that he did not lock up and he did not purposely turn the car and his intention was to run him wide
Literally every driver disagrees with any decision that goes against them, always. Obviously Verstappen disagrees with receiving a warning for weaving, so he makes a small joke: Oh did they wave at me, tell them I said hi. There is literally nothing to it, its humor. In the same weekend, Wolff is like F them all, everyone is against us and a whole load of bs disrespecting the sport. Its quite obvious which team is most deserving of punishment for their words, its not Red Bull.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and hit someone on the outside on the backwheel its a 10 sec penalty. If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and are level with someone on the outside with no contact than logically thats probably not a penalty. Had the stewards done their job at previous races, then they could have punished this move as it should have been, unfortunately their hands were tied, due to precedent.
If you genuinely miss a corner then its absolutely no penalty, just see gasly s move on Alonso into turn 1
But it was very clear to everyone even before the onboard footage came that he did not lock up and he did not purposely turn the car and his intention was to run him wide
here is anthony Davidson explaining it
It should be a penalty whenever you gain a lasting advantage by leaving the track and additionally force another driver of as well,, shouldn't matter whether it was genuine or not.
Literally every driver disagrees with any decision that goes against them, always. Obviously Verstappen disagrees with receiving a warning for weaving, so he makes a small joke: Oh did they wave at me, tell them I said hi. There is literally nothing to it, its humor. In the same weekend, Wolff is like F them all, everyone is against us and a whole load of bs disrespecting the sport. Its quite obvious which team is most deserving of punishment for their words, its not Red Bull.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and hit someone on the outside on the backwheel its a 10 sec penalty.
If you brake late, miss the apex, dont make the corner and are level with someone on the outside with no contact than logically thats probably not a penalty. Had the stewards done their job at previous races, then they could have punished this move as it should have been, unfortunately their hands were tied, due to precedent.
So in your mind a move is only punishable if there is contact made? Let’s face it, the only reason there wasn’t contact in Brazil is because Hamilton avoided it by running wide. Do you think Hamilton would still have deserved a penalty if Verstappen had made the effort to avoid to avoid the collision in silverstone?
Its funny some people trying to bring up SIlverstone
If Max had done the same as what Lewis did in Imola, Portagul, Spain, Silverstone and Brazil and just run wide and concede the place to Lewis, THEN he would have had a 32 points in lead now going into the last 3 races
I'm honestly not sure how some people would handle the penalty system we had just a few years ago.
Let's not forget that not long ago, the most lenient penalties were a drive through, and a stop and go. Now we have 5 and 10 second time penalties that can be easily overcome if you have a front of the grid car. Now under the "let them race" mantra, even a 5 second penalty is deemed to severe by many. Liberty seems to truly be turning F1 in to the WWF on wheels, where everything is fair and legal unless it hinders someone's favorite driver.
what’s that gonna do? It don carry over into the future and you only need to play that hand once. To which you can say, “yeah perfect. Say hi”
. Drivers care about pts not warnings. And don’t get me started on license points, that’s like a handful of yellow cards to play.
what’s that gonna do? It don carry over into the future and you only need to play that hand once. To which you can say, “yeah perfect. Say hi” 
. Drivers care about pts not warnings. And don’t get me started on license points, that’s like a handful of yellow cards to play. 
ol Lewis, being a wily fox, taking da piss with track limits. He won though so you can’t knock that game.
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