2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[TwanV]

Sorry, you misinterpret RBs stance completely. They have provided the FIA with evidence in Brazil that the MB rear wing is flexing where it shouldn't. The reason why they have not protested is to allow MB to comply without FIA/court ugliness. (Not everyone enjoys this soap opera) They have already stated that they will not protest at the last event, meaning that a formal protest WILL be made if MB runs the wing in qualy/race. It's not about only complaining when you're slow, it's complaining that your losing because you believe your competitor is too liberal with the rules. MB did the same earlier this year.

[siskue2005]

Sorry, you misinterpret RBs stance completely. They have provided the FIA with evidence in Brazil that the MB rear wing is flexing where it shouldn't. The reason why they have not protested is to allow MB to comply without FIA/court ugliness. (Not everyone enjoys this soap opera) They have already stated that they will not protest at the last event, meaning that a formal protest WILL be made if MB runs the wing in qualy/race. It's not about only complaining when you're slow, it's complaining that your losing because you believe your competitor is too liberal with the rules. MB did the same earlier this year.

What evidence? It's just bunch of photos and videos which we have all seen! Nothing more, no solid proof just some speculations.. just like their engine query and placement of plenum sensors.
According to Shovlin at Qatar merc has invited FIA to see everything and the FIA are happy.

Why would Rebdull allow merc to use a wing which they think is illegal just to allow them time to change and in the process lose their championship lead? If redbull have exact proof then they would have protested already!

All this shows they are just throwing everything at it hoping something will stick. Horner is the worst, every interview the first thing comes out of his mouth is 15kph faster 27kph faster which when u check the offical speed trap figures shows it's no where that fast.

[TwanV]

Guess time will tell sisku, let's see how things stand later today

[darkpino]

It’s an analogy. The end.

On a side note, I remember when RBR and some of their loyal fans were convinced Merc were up to PU trickery. The PU was the cause of the speed! A magic intake! Launched an inquiry with the FIA.

Bottas’ PU was twice disassembled and examined by the FIA. Verdict? All clear. Case closed.

Now RBR are convinced it’s the wing. I think the “score marks” are the only thing they have to go on, and those have 2 much more believable/plausible explanations already.

RB are ticking off things one by one. Mercedes are looking like Ferrari in 2019, a sudden unexplainable increase of speed which has put 14K on RB in mexico and 27K on RB in Brazil. If RB weren't asking questions, they wouldn't be doing their job.

Not even remotely comparable.

Why not?

[darkpino]

May I ask you: if you want to have an adult conversation about something you two (or others) clearly not agree on why you keep writing Rebdull? Respect goes both ways, your way of having a conversation clearly doesn’t invite anyone to have any kind of respect for you imo

[siskue2005]

May I ask you: if you want to have an adult conversation about something you two (or others) clearly not agree on why you keep writing Rebdull? Respect goes both ways, your way of having a conversation clearly doesn’t invite anyone to have any kind of respect for you imo

Because typing on a phone is difficult and English is not our first language and the keyboards are not optimised or doesnot have redbull autocorrect added to it...

[darkpino]

May I ask you: if you want to have an adult conversation about something you two (or others) clearly not agree on why you keep writing Rebdull? Respect goes both ways, your way of having a conversation clearly doesn’t invite anyone to have any kind of respect for you imo

So a typing mistake is disrespectful now?
Ok

Because typing on a phone is difficult and English is not our first language and the keyboards are not optimised or doesnot have redbull autocorrect added to it...and some people have disability to distinguish b and d..

Im sorry if I misinterpreted your messages but it occurred to me that you did it on a lot of your messages, your point towards RBR is clear which isn’t very positive.

To get back to your message: I agree with the message that RBR should question a big gain of speed as shown by Mercedes. With SF it was also very clear something fishy was going on and so it is now if you ask me. Also it’s easier to follow and easier to gain more when you are not at the top (as Honda has been the last seasons).

Long story short: your arguments don’t really hold that well if you ask me but that’s just my opinion

[siskue2005]

May I ask you: if you want to have an adult conversation about something you two (or others) clearly not agree on why you keep writing Rebdull? Respect goes both ways, your way of having a conversation clearly doesn’t invite anyone to have any kind of respect for you imo

So a typing mistake is disrespectful now?
Ok

Because typing on a phone is difficult and English is not our first language and the keyboards are not optimised or doesnot have redbull autocorrect added to it...and some people have disability to distinguish b and d..

Im sorry if I misinterpreted your messages but it occurred to me that you did it on a lot of your messages, your point towards RBR is clear which isn’t very positive.

To get back to your message: I agree with the message that RBR should question a big gain of speed as shown by Mercedes. With SF it was also very clear something fishy was going on and so it is now if you ask me. Also it’s easier to follow and easier to gain more when you are not at the top (as Honda has been the last seasons).

Long story short: your arguments don’t really hold that well if you ask me but that’s just my opinion

Ok, so let's wait and see in the last 3 races and what fia does or not.

[darkpino]

I dont know if the FIA will find it. My experience is that the team that “cheats” the best will come out as winners.

What is really impressive (if you ask me) is that Mercedes did change engines to keep the heat out of the stuff going on with the rear wing (if that’s true). That shows me that they are really strong in their political/mental games as they are thinking that far ahead. I applaud that even though I don’t want to win it this year. Same is with the engines regarding running them on idle just so they could keep their advantage for years. Not good for the sport and for us as fans if you ask me but really impressive they think of stuff like that.

[NathanOlder]

Surely the whole Merc rear wing thing is completely irrelevant. Lets say the wing is flexing at certain speed and they are gaining from it. It passes the current tests, so the Fia can change the tests, and to do that, they must give the teams a month to adjust for the tests. Just how they did in the summer with the previous rear wing saga. So by the time the tests get changed, the season has long finished. So its all irrelevant really.

[El Scorchio]

Red Bull are tinkering with their rear wings AGAIN this morning…

[cooken]

The word "cheating" keeps getting thrown around carelessly. It's a serious accusation, and should not be trivialized.

None of the teams are cheating. Not RB, not Merc.
All of the teams are trying their hardest to push the rules right up to their limits, but NOT past them. I can assure you significant effort is going in to making sure the car is legal at every team. Suggesting otherwise undermines the contributions and integrity of huge numbers of good people working in this sport. Many of whom will be toiling in the wee hours (probably under paid too) just to make sure they AREN'T violating the rules.

Frankly disgraceful stuff by too many around here. Give it a rest already!

[Tizz]

The word "cheating" keeps getting thrown around carelessly. It's a serious accusation, and should not be trivialized.

None of the teams are cheating. Not RB, not Merc.
All of the teams are trying their hardest to push the rules right up to their limits, but NOT past them. I can assure you significant effort is going in to making sure the car is legal at every team. Suggesting otherwise undermines the contributions and integrity of huge numbers of good people working in this sport. Many of whom will be toiling in the wee hours (probably under paid too) just to make sure they AREN'T violating the rules.

Frankly disgraceful stuff by too many around here. Give it a rest already!

+1

[darkpino]

The word "cheating" keeps getting thrown around carelessly. It's a serious accusation, and should not be trivialized.

None of the teams are cheating. Not RB, not Merc.
All of the teams are trying their hardest to push the rules right up to their limits, but NOT past them. I can assure you significant effort is going in to making sure the car is legal at every team. Suggesting otherwise undermines the contributions and integrity of huge numbers of good people working in this sport. Many of whom will be toiling in the wee hours (probably under paid too) just to make sure they AREN'T violating the rules.

Frankly disgraceful stuff by too many around here. Give it a rest already!

Its their job to balance between the darkest of grey area and clearly black (cheating). This has been the case when Ferrari was very dominant in the Schumacher era, it was the same when Williams had the active suspension

Like I said: they should work at absolute borderline of the regulations and that also means going over it sometimes

[El Scorchio]

The top RW element on the RBR is still flapping about or rocking on it’s pivot point- albeit somewhat slower- after all that tinkering.

Seems to me that it’s by design.