2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[Magicsenna_41]

Red Bull is sandbagging in the desert of Qatar
But would I be surprised if they would sacrifice their qualy to get more pressure on the FIA? Just to get the new test in Saudi Arabia?
They can afford to loose some pts to Hamilton.
What they cant afford is a Merc with mega stellar straightline speed in coming last 2 races.

In that case we may have a clinical Horner... But at least he has his Dr. Helmet Marko beside.

[politburo]

Things not looking good for redbull. championship has swung i guess in Merc favor now, i do not know what Merc did but in last 2 races , something has clicked.

It’s probably worth waiting until after qualifying. Things could change round a fair bit and I’m sure the gap won’t be so big at the very least. Don’t forget the turnaround from qualifying to race in Mexico either!

I hope you are right for the sake of the competition and entertainment which is the only vested interest of all fans really. The only way the race is good (at the front) tomorrow is if Mercedes start behind 1 RedBull, that way we see some defending and attempted overtakes and mind games and tension. Otherwise, it's curtains.

[Shrieker]

What's going on with the red bull DRS flap ?

[AeroDynamic]

Such a mystery that Pirelli had to make new tyres because they couldn't stand over the ones that they had made after two separate cars had blowouts and the new TD's did not affect performace at all until they were made...

Difference in Baku is that Hamilton made a mistake, Max did nothing wrong

And don't even bring up Imola where Lewis got the luckiest red flag in history after crashing out due to messing up an overtake

Not everyones tyres popped though, did they? and the cars had less downforce this year. The tyre that did pop wasn't even the one under the most load / stress. It IS a mystery just because Pirelli changed things to protect the tyres from teams manipulating them and getting them to pass tests, doesn't mean they felt they produced bad tyres.

Im not sure what you're saying the difference is for, it is what it is; it begins to even out.

I agree Imola HAM was very lucky, its just the MV advocates who refuse to acknowledge where the luck has gone their way.

You are deciding to believe something that never existed.

Pirelli would never change tyres if they felt that the teams were cheating and a new TD would fix it.

Tyres blew last year in SIlverstone and Monza and Pirelli did not turn around and make brand new tyres for the rest of the season yet they felt they had to do something this year, because they had produced tyres which didn't fit their own parameters.

Again, the TD's did not affect any race pace or qualy pace delta's. Teams messing with the tyres would have seen a change in performance. There was none.

I'm going with what was told on this. If you know something they don't, tell us. otherwise its your theory vs them.

[Dee]

Not everyones tyres popped though, did they? and the cars had less downforce this year. The tyre that did pop wasn't even the one under the most load / stress. It IS a mystery just because Pirelli changed things to protect the tyres from teams manipulating them and getting them to pass tests, doesn't mean they felt they produced bad tyres.

Im not sure what you're saying the difference is for, it is what it is; it begins to even out.

I agree Imola HAM was very lucky, its just the MV advocates who refuse to acknowledge where the luck has gone their way.

You are deciding to believe something that never existed.

Pirelli would never change tyres if they felt that the teams were cheating and a new TD would fix it.

Tyres blew last year in SIlverstone and Monza and Pirelli did not turn around and make brand new tyres for the rest of the season yet they felt they had to do something this year, because they had produced tyres which didn't fit their own parameters.

Again, the TD's did not affect any race pace or qualy pace delta's. Teams messing with the tyres would have seen a change in performance. There was none.

I'm going with what was told on this. If you know something they don't, tell us. otherwise its your theory vs them.

They didn't know, otherwise they would not have made new tyres.

As if Pirelli were ever going to admit publicly that they messed up.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Is another reason RB are asking for these further tests is so that if Mercs passes the more stringent tests, then they will just bolt on their own version of it? Just classic case of if they think it's legal they'll just do the same?

[NathanOlder]

Are the new tests in play immediately ? I have only heard about a new test this weekend, so its not like RB have been calling for new tests for weeks/months. The last 'new' rear wing test took over a month to bring in didn't it ? To give teams time to adjust

[Starkblood80]

Are the new tests in play immediately ? I have only heard about a new test this weekend, so its not like RB have been calling for new tests for weeks/months. The last 'new' rear wing test took over a month to bring in didn't it ? To give teams time to adjust

Would seem somewhat unfair if RBR was given what, 3 or 4 races too “fix” their rear wing.

[Chene_Mostert]

Are the new tests in play immediately ? I have only heard about a new test this weekend, so its not like RB have been calling for new tests for weeks/months. The last 'new' rear wing test took over a month to bring in didn't it ? To give teams time to adjust

Would seem somewhat unfair if RBR was given what, 3 or 4 races too “fix” their rear wing.

have they failed any test?

[Starkblood80]

Are the new tests in play immediately ? I have only heard about a new test this weekend, so its not like RB have been calling for new tests for weeks/months. The last 'new' rear wing test took over a month to bring in didn't it ? To give teams time to adjust

Would seem somewhat unfair if RBR was given what, 3 or 4 races too “fix” their rear wing.

have they failed any test?

No but according to Horner the FIA are introducing a new one “after” qualifying

[Chene_Mostert]

Would seem somewhat unfair if RBR was given what, 3 or 4 races too “fix” their rear wing.

have they failed any test?

No but according to Horner the FIA are introducing a new one “after” qualifying

but it wont be testing for oscillating drs flap

[Starkblood80]

have they failed any test?

No but according to Horner the FIA are introducing a new one “after” qualifying

but it wont be testing for oscillating drs flap

Apparently not. That’s just a broken DRS actuator according to Horner.

[dans79]

No but according to Horner the FIA are introducing a new one “after” qualifying

but it wont be testing for oscillating drs flap

Apparently not. That’s just a broken DRS actuator according to Horner.

The question would be was it an accident or on purpose.

[Starkblood80]

but it wont be testing for oscillating drs flap

Apparently not. That’s just a broken DRS actuator according to Horner.

The question would be was it an accident or on purpose.

We’ll it’s happened 4 events in a row so

[Stu]

have they failed any test?

No but according to Horner the FIA are introducing a new one “after” qualifying

but it wont be testing for oscillating drs flap

Do the rules state that the flap must be ‘still’ when operated? To my knowledge the DRS flap is specifically excluded from the rules about moving aerodynamic devices (obviously, as by its very definition it is a moving aerodynamic device!!). There must be a minimum slot gap when closed, with a maximum slot gap when open.
However…
I’m not entirely sure how you could regulate around this without simply outlawing DRS.
Maybe F1 should have stuck with the F-duct! Simple, clever, works!

For all those that believe Mercedes to be whiter than white when it come to regulations, don’t forget that double-DRS used to be a thing, they came up with that and it worked quite effectively! It forced a re-interpretation (a TD…), and was banned.

Everyone is trying to take advantage of the grey areas; that is where championships are won and lost. None of them are above using red-herrings to throw other teams off the scent of where they are gaining advantages. All of them will argue that their interpretation is completely legal until proven wrong.