Lewis third, Jarno given 25s penalty > Trulli 3rd, Lewis DSQ

[Rob W]

This is the Lewis-Macca radio exchange:....

Thanks for posting this. It is very interesting now. I can't see what McLaren did wrong on-track.

This reeks of F1 ruling in apparent contradiction to 'natural justice' once again. People, rightly, are getting sick of this crap.

[vall]

it seems that they plain lied!!!! The team says the did not order LH to pass Truli, LH say he did not passed him consciously, MW in the interview after the new ruling insisted LH did not slow (i.e. he did not let Truli).

So, yeah, they are punished for those lies.....not what happen on track

[imightbewrong]

This is the Lewis-Macca radio exchange:....

Thanks for posting this. It is very interesting now. I can't see what McLaren did wrong on-track.

This reeks of F1 ruling in apparent contradiction to 'natural justice' once again. People, rightly, are getting sick of this crap.

But the problem here isn't what happened on-track. The stewards haven't complained about that, they complained about Lewis and his track manager lying to them during the hearing. That is why he got DQed.

[roost89]

The points are now like this:
10 - Button
8 - Rubens
6 - Trulli
5 - Glock
4 - Alonso
3 - Nico
2 - Buemi
1 - Bourdais

[NormanBates]

LH: He was off the track. He went wide.
Team: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
LH: OK.
LH: He’s slowed right down in front of me.
Team: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie.
LH: I let him past already.
Team: OK, Lewis. That’s fine. That’s fine. Hold position. Hold position.
LH: Tell Charlie I already overtook him. I just let him past.

this seems consistent with what Trulli says that he tried to let LH pass him, but LH would not do it

i think not: I think that's from the moment hamilton let trulli overtake; trulli says he didn't want to overtake, but had no chance

what surprises me is that they don't comment on trulli's attempts to make hamilton overtake him

[Kester]

Trulli was quite rightly trying to allow Hamilton retake the position, and as such Trulli didn't do anything wrong.

Regardless, the case at point is no longer what happened on track, it's the fact Lewis was asked a direct question, to which his answer didn't correlate to information that was later discovered.

[axle]

LH: He was off the track. He went wide.
Team: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
LH: OK.
LH: He’s slowed right down in front of me.
Team: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie.
LH: I let him past already.
Team: OK, Lewis. That’s fine. That’s fine. Hold position. Hold position.
LH: Tell Charlie I already overtook him. I just let him past.

this seems consistent with what Trulli says that he tried to let LH pass him, but LH would not do it

i think not: I think that's from the moment hamilton let trulli overtake; trulli says he didn't want to overtake, but had no chance

what surprises me is that they don't comment on trulli's attempts to make hamilton overtake him

I think Sir needs glasses

LH: He’s slowed right down in front of me.
= Lewis telling his team that Trulli has slowed down infront of him...this is Trulli trying to get Lewis back in front of him.

If pit radios were banned this wouldn't have happened lol.

[meves]

Sadly, I feel that they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, just look at last year and race control were being about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike! They should've used the transscripts (both the teams and the FIA) I just think it's sad that yet another race has ended like this as all the drivers regardless of who you support drove their hearts out!

I think the FIA need to sort themselves out and review all the evidence directly after the race, rather than waiting until 5 days later to get their lives in order and actually do their job. It took me minutes to read the transcripts, and watch the video not days Being honest if I was as bad as them I'd've been fired by now!

[vall]

Regardless, the case at point is no longer what happened on track, it's the fact Lewis was asked a direct question, to which his answer didn't correlate to information that was later discovered.

right. That's it. If LH said, yeah, they told me to let him go and I did it, then it would have been OK. Truly would not be penalized and LH would keep his 4th place. But as I see it, they tried to take advantage from the situation and make it look like Truli overtook LH.

[vall]

Sadly, I feel that they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, just look at last year and race control were being about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike! They should've used the transscripts (both the teams and the FIA) I just think it's sad that yet another race has ended like this as all the drivers regardless of who you support drove their hearts out!

I think the FIA need to sort themselves out and review all the evidence directly after the race, rather than waiting until 5 days later to get their lives in order and actually do their job. It took me minutes to read the transcripts, and watch the video not days Being honest if I was as bad as them I'd've been fired by now!

It is not that bad actually if you think of it. The asked all involved parts after the race. And they trusted LH and McLaren, and obviously did not trust Truli. Now it seems they lied and in an interview after the FIA decision http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 63,00.html, MW still says lies that LH did not let Truli pass!!!!!

[meves]

Sadly, I feel that they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, just look at last year and race control were being about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike! They should've used the transscripts (both the teams and the FIA) I just think it's sad that yet another race has ended like this as all the drivers regardless of who you support drove their hearts out!

I think the FIA need to sort themselves out and review all the evidence directly after the race, rather than waiting until 5 days later to get their lives in order and actually do their job. It took me minutes to read the transcripts, and watch the video not days Being honest if I was as bad as them I'd've been fired by now!

It is not that bad actually if you think of it. The asked all involved parts after the race. And they trusted LH and McLaren, and obviously did not trust Truli. Now it seems they lied and in an interview after the FIA decision http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 63,00.html, MW still says lies that LH did not let Truli pass!!!!!

I'm not sure what's not that bad.

We have a decision made at the time which has now been reversed, as Trulli retook a position and the McLaren did not let him back past (as is shown by the cars telemetry). The race positions have changed again after 5 days. The FIA have disqualified a driver and changed their mind as they decided to look at most of the evidence and not all of it. Most people who are not on forums and interested in discussing it will not be full informed. F1 has another controversy for the first race of the season (we are still in diffusergate and the Toyotas were put to the back of the grid). I don't know another sport which is so poorly governed and changes its mind so often, the FIA need to get their act together before the sport loses all credibility.

[jddh1]

We have a decision made at the time which has now been reversed, as Trulli retook a position and the McLaren did not let him back past (as is shown by the cars telemetry). The race positions have changed again after 5 days. The FIA have disqualified a driver and changed their mind as they decided to look at most of the evidence and not all of it. Most people who are not on forums and interested in discussing it will not be full informed. F1 has another controversy for the first race of the season (we are still in diffusergate and the Toyotas were put to the back of the grid). I don't know another sport which is so poorly governed and changes its mind so often, the FIA need to get their act together before the sport loses all credibility.

About this particular case I strongly disagree with the bold statement. They are not changing their minds because they had tea this morning and coffee the next day. They are changing this decision because new facts came to light. I think one always needs to make the right decision and I have no problem making the right decision even after a few days, weeks, months, etc. However, again, in this case, they could've spent another hour listening to the tapes and made a better and more conscious decision on Sunday.

[vall]

It is not that bad actually if you think of it. The asked all involved parts after the race. And they trusted LH and McLaren, and obviously did not trust Truli. Now it seems they lied and in an interview after the FIA decision http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 63,00.html, MW still says lies that LH did not let Truli pass!!!!!

I'm not sure what's not that bad.

We have a decision made at the time which has now been reversed, as Trulli retook a position and the McLaren did not let him back past (as is shown by the cars telemetry). The race positions have changed again after 5 days. The FIA have disqualified a driver and changed their mind as they decided to look at most of the evidence and not all of it. Most people who are not on forums and interested in discussing it will not be full informed. F1 has another controversy for the first race of the season (we are still in diffusergate and the Toyotas were put to the back of the grid). I don't know another sport which is so poorly governed and changes its mind so often, the FIA need to get their act together before the sport loses all credibility.

well, as you hear LH says "I just let him pass", the team tells him to do so, Truli says he slowed down..... What else? MW may say whatever he wants. ....but after what happen in 2007, can this team be trusted anyway?!?!?! Especially, what the team bosses say......

[DaveKillens]

Until this year, Ron Dennis ran the entire show. He was a fixture on the pit wall during the races. But now he has stepped down, and most likely is out of the loop as far as control and input during the race. Does anyone know what Dennis was doing during the race? My theory is that he was just spectating, and the people controlling Hamilton did not have his wealth of experience, and messed up.

[jddh1]

Until this year, Ron Dennis ran the entire show. He was a fixture on the pit wall during the races. But now he has stepped down, and most likely is out of the loop as far as control and input during the race. Does anyone know what Dennis was doing during the race? My theory is that he was just spectating, and the people controlling Hamilton did not have his wealth of experience, and messed up.

I think that's what happened. If you have a guy moving on after running a team for years, you get the new guys and they make mistakes due to inexperience. It's happening at Ferrari with Domenicali as well. It's not happening at Brawn because Ross Brawn has wealth of experience when it comes to running a team. (And he's a clever cat. )