2021 Qatar Grand Prix - Losail, Nov 19-21

[SiLo]

The penalties are applied all at once. So Bottas got +3 and Max got +5 which is 6th and 7th respectively. THEN the rest of the grid gets moved up.

I assume, in the case two drivers end up "sharing" a grid slot, the positions are decided on the order of the infractions.

[SiLo]

Yes, 3+3 is 6, but if someone infront of you gets demoted behind you, you move up 1? 3+3 = 6 and then -1 is 5.
Or apply Max's first and he goes from 3-1 = 2, then +3 = 5.

So grid penalties are all applied at once and dont take into account other people getting penalties? Is it just grid penalties for mechanical reasons that do them individually then?

To me it looks like the rules make sure you start X amount of places behind the one you've qualified for
3+3 and 2+5

What would the positions be if max qualied p1? Would he be 6th?

Yes, and Bottas would probably get bumped to 5th because his infraction was first. Even if they were applied at the same time.

[Tizz]

The comment on live motorsport says it all: "Truly, the Qat has been let out of the bag in the stewards' room."

[Ferry]

What if Bottas was 4th. Would be 4+3=7.

[Noble29]

Yes, 3+3 is 6, but if someone infront of you gets demoted behind you, you move up 1? 3+3 = 6 and then -1 is 5.
Or apply Max's first and he goes from 3-1 = 2, then +3 = 5.

So grid penalties are all applied at once and dont take into account other people getting penalties? Is it just grid penalties for mechanical reasons that do them individually then?

To me it looks like the rules make sure you start X amount of places behind the one you've qualified for
3+3 and 2+5

The penalties are applied all at once. So Bottas got +3 and Max got +5 which is 6th and 7th respectively. THEN the rest of the grid gets moved up.

I assume, in the case two drivers end up "sharing" a grid slot, the positions are decided on the order of the infractions.

Thanks for confirming.

[Phil]

I somehow have a feeling this will just lead to one of those freak races where Hamilton will not win due to these extraordinary circumstances….

[djones]

Max starts on soft???

[Viper2789]

Hope this is good race...

Have fun watching everyone!!

[Just_a_fan]

This is data straight from the teams, just with lower resolution. From my testing it's able to capture lifts of 1-2% that lasted no longer than 0.1s-0.2s. So even if sainz magically fell into this time window it's still nowhere near enough to get him off the hook. FIA was simply duped by ferrari in this case. Hats off the them.

The throttle data is available from the teams?

Yes. Teams give live data from the cars to FOM (and fia obviously), FOM takes this data and sends it on to their official F1 app. Some smart people have reverse engineered this transport protocol and were able to extract every piece of info that comes out of there. That's why lately you've been able to see a bunch of fan generated data and plots that were previously confined only to team's own analysis, fia and fom.

This is the tool in question: https://github.com/theOehrly/Fast-F1
It's author is also on this forum (oehrly). Really all credit should be given to him for all these plots that you see circulating on various sites.

Cool. Thanks for the reply and thanks to oehrly for enabling this information to get out in the public arena.

[InsaneX_Badger]

I somehow have a feeling this will just lead to one of those freak races where Hamilton will not win due to these extraordinary circumstances….

Same here, feeling like Sahkir for Merc all over again.

[djones]

I'm so confident Alonso or Gasly will take Hamilton out I've put a bet on both scenarios.

[jurinius]

I have a feeling this will be a funny race. All the drivers are on the edge... Lets goo Ham

[NathanOlder]

I somehow have a feeling this will just lead to one of those freak races where Hamilton will not win due to these extraordinary circumstances….

I have that feeling too.

[Just_a_fan]

Max starts on soft???

No. They were just "to the grid" tyres. He's on yellows now.

[search]

Bottas approach will be interesting. If he manages to stay ahead of Verstappen at the start, he could try to keep him in the midfield as long as possible, I guess - not that defending is his biggest strength, though