2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[GrizzleBoy]

We did nothing wrong, but we're having a big old meeting to discuss how to imorove all the stuff we did that there was nothing wrong with.

[f1jcw]

We did nothing wrong, but we're having a big old meeting to discuss how to imorove all the stuff we did that there was nothing wrong with.

Generated Misunderstanding



In other words, ‘it’s not us, it’s you’

[Mattyw]

Two ways at looking at that
1. Agreed with merc they won't appeal if they have a full public enquiry to basically acknowledge the mistakes and make rule changes
2. Because its before merc appeal period ends, a public statement to them 'please don't appeal, we will hold the enquiry'

[f1jcw]

Two ways at looking at that
1. Agreed with merc they won't appeal if they have a full public enquiry to basically acknowledge the mistakes and make rule changes
2. Because its before merc appeal period ends, a public statement to them 'please don't appeal, we will hold the enquiry'

If 1 was true wouldn’t Merc be at the gala?

[Starkblood80]

Two ways at looking at that
1. Agreed with merc they won't appeal if they have a full public enquiry to basically acknowledge the mistakes and make rule changes
2. Because its before merc appeal period ends, a public statement to them 'please don't appeal, we will hold the enquiry'

I can’t imagine an “enquiry” would be enough to appease Mercedes

[diffuser]

More info here:



Aaaand here's the full press release:

https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia- ... rt-council

“…Following the presentation of a report regarding the sequence of events that took place following the incident on Lap 53 of the Grand Prix…”

Does anyone know where to find the report?

It will be on the FIa web site I presume AFTER it's written.

FIA President proposed to the World Motor Sport Council that a detailed analysis and clarification exercise for the future with all relevant parties will now take place.

This matter will be discussed and addressed with all the teams and drivers to draw any lessons from this situation and clarity to be provided to the participants, media, and fans about the current regulations to preserve the competitive nature of our sport while ensuring the safety of the drivers and officials. It is not only Formula 1 that may benefit from this analysis, but also more generally all the other FIA circuit championships.

[the poster below]

Two ways at looking at that
1. Agreed with merc they won't appeal if they have a full public enquiry to basically acknowledge the mistakes and make rule changes
2. Because its before merc appeal period ends, a public statement to them 'please don't appeal, we will hold the enquiry'

I have a feeling it's leaning towards number 2.

In a way, the stewards that rejected the protest may have had an eye on the long term health of F1, if it's not reading too much into things.

There's been plenty of controversy around various on track events in recent years. It always gets forgotten or papered over or subsumed in the next race(s). This one was the most high profile race in ages and there aren't any more races for a while. People are bored of discussing covid, Brexit, [insert regional/national topic of public interest here]. Has the FIA's reputation ever been on the line like this before? Maybe F1 decision consistency is on the brink of manifesting itself... Nah got carried away.

[Stu]

I think it’s time for F1 to move on without Mercedes. We saw what happened this year in football when a couple of teams went into powerplay mode, we don’t need that in Motorsport. Toto Wolff has way too much power for way too long now, time to shut him up

We need Merc, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Williams... all of them in F1. They've all had periods of utter dominance. Come on now.

As far as I can remember none of them ever went into powerplay mode the way Mercedes does now. They protested, it got denied with the rules clearly shuffled down their noses. If they want to go to court: let’s do it. They will lose

Even Bernie suggested that Brabham needed to ‘pull’ the fan-car project (it wasn’t banned), and he was ‘the Man’ in FOCA at the time!!

[Stu]

Please, please, please lock this thread!!

[langedweil]

Just out of curiosity who calculated that Hamilton gained a 3 second advantage in Bahrain?

Don't want to stir perse, but it was noted on motorsport, official formula1 etc. the advantage was at least 0.1, but likely even more than that. But 29x 0.1 equals about the 3s; enough to catch up 3/4 laps earlier considering the way newer tires. Not being said the overtake would be successfull, but there'd be easily 3 more laps to try

Aside of that, tracklimits are perfectly described within the rules, as well as not leaving it. Besides while it was stated from MB's pov there was no advantage at all, why do so for 29 laps? And why was it suddenly no longer allowed when Ver started doing it?

With regards to Redbulls wing and pitstops you must lay at least a percentage of the blame on them for overstepping the rules.

That's the thing; it wasn't overstepped, maybe a bright understanding of- and complying to the test just to be considered within the rules. The same area exactly any competitor is working in, the grey one.

I don’t think any of those examples are directly comparable with what happened on Sunday either.

Now you pull in into the Sunday discussion to prove a point, but you shouldn't: it stands by itself, and it's just an answer to your question where Ver/RB were decided against.

Lastly you cannot deny that some decisions by masi/stewards have benefited Redbull or Max either.

Correct, they did so occasionally, but it's just whataboutism ..

[langedweil]

Just out of curiosity who calculated that Hamilton gained a 3 second advantage in Bahrain?

Don't want to stir perse, but it was noted on motorsport, official formula1 etc. the advantage was at least 0.1, but likely even more than that. But 29x 0.1 equals about the 3s; enough to catch up 3/4 laps earlier considering the way newer tires. Not being said the overtake would be successfull, but there'd be easily 3 more laps to try

Aside of that, tracklimits are perfectly described within the rules, as well as not leaving it. Besides while it was stated from MB's pov there was no advantage at all, why do so for 29 laps? And why was it suddenly no longer allowed when Ver started doing it?

With regards to Redbulls wing and pitstops you must lay at least a percentage of the blame on them for overstepping the rules.

That's the thing; it wasn't overstepped, maybe a bright understanding of- and complying to the test just to be considered within the rules. The same area exactly any competitor is working in, the grey one.

I don’t think any of those examples are directly comparable with what happened on Sunday either.

Now you pull in into the Sunday discussion to prove a point, but you shouldn't: it stands by itself, and it's just an answer to your question where Ver/RB were decided against.

Lastly you cannot deny that some decisions by masi/stewards have benefited Redbull or Max either.

Correct, they did so occasionally, but it's just whataboutism ..

[Roo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGq_pYzXsAg ... me=900x900

Brilliant

[langedweil]

Please, please, please lock this thread!!

You may have just put up probably the best post of the thread ...

[Fairplay]

We did nothing wrong, but we're having a big old meeting to discuss how to imorove all the stuff we did that there was nothing wrong with.

That gave me a much needed laugh.

What I also think is 'laughable' is all the comments about Vestappen's bad luck. I think Hamilton's bout of Covid19 exceeded any of Verstappen's luck. I hope you don't mind me adding this.

[Roo]

https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia- ... rt-council

At this point, it's obvious something is gonna change, but it's happening with the benefit of hindsight, and at the cost of the sport itself. What takes real skill and competence is, having the foresight to make changes in anticipation, and prevent these things from happening in the first place.

Ever since Masi took the helm, he has behaved like a really, really, really bad and amateur football ref who was trying to save the day by making another mistake to save face for the previous one.

No wonder it ended in disaster.

I was wondering if this is part of discussion with MB and they're post a statement. So far nothing, which doesn't look good when they're saying something was wrong, yet doubling down, and while waiting an appeal.

PR disaster..