2022 Winter Testing Part 1: Barcelona 23 - 25th February

[BosF1]

nah, f1 doesn't need to be any closer to a spec series than it already is, personally I would prefer it to be more open!

Yeah I prefer F1 to be more open too. IMO, moving to more complex suspension setups would have been good. Feels strange to have "pinnacle of motorsport" have cars that are mechanically less advanced than road cars.

In my opinion it is still the pinnacle of motorsport, because the cars carry the most complex and efficient hybrid engines ever made. Far more complex than any roadcar will be featuring any time soon.
Therefore, for me it doesn't need to be as groundbreaking on every single aspect (e.g. suspension) as long it has that

[Andres125sx]

I find it really silly and frankly frustrating that they would ban the hydraulic suspension systems with the introduction of ground effect. Have we learnt nothing from the past? The frustration comes from the fact that this problem is solvable and indeed has been solved already.

Something like FRIC or even a relatively simple mass damper, etc, could make these cars insanely fast, stable, and SAFE, but we’re hung up on this idea of ‘moveable aerodynamic devices’.

I suppose also cost - but what’s better? An extra $5 mill on the budget cap, or cars bouncing around so violently they’re literally shaking themselves to bits?

I expected the likes of Brawn to comes at new regs more holistically than this. I love everything about the cars so far, but if this porpoising issue persists across teams, across the season, it’s clear changes are necessary.

Calm down, it´s first test with new cars, completely new aero philosophy, new tires and new suspensions. Teams need some time to first understand the problem, then find a solution. It could be any of these new elements, or a combination of some.

Then if no team find the solution, regulation changes will be needed, but there´s a long road before jumping to that scenario and it will be intersting to see how each engineering team manages the problem

[101FlyingDutchman]

Surely with whatever regs you have in place you’re going to push the boundaries of what’s possible? So the whole argument of needing fancy suspension on dampening out what teams currently experience is total rubbish. It’s up to these teams to find a way to be at the highest performance level possible given the rules. Surely there is more of an accomplishment there then giving them everything on a plate?!?

[dialtone]

Not necessarily imho: for example if the rulebook mandates a stepped floor that makes porpoise impossible the matter is solved and not much can be played around with. That’s just to say that other classes could have dealt with the issue with the rulebook to avoid teams going down a game of chicken.

[DAMNINice]

nah, f1 doesn't need to be any closer to a spec series than it already is, personally I would prefer it to be more open!

Yeah I prefer F1 to be more open too. IMO, moving to more complex suspension setups would have been good. Feels strange to have "pinnacle of motorsport" have cars that are mechanically less advanced than road cars.

In my opinion it is still the pinnacle of motorsport, because the cars carry the most complex and efficient hybrid engines ever made. Far more complex than any roadcar will be featuring any time soon.
Therefore, for me it doesn't need to be as groundbreaking on every single aspect (e.g. suspension) as long it has that

Far more complex than any roadcar will be featuring any time soon.

--> AMG ONE is far more complex as it also features an el. front axle with two e-Motors + high voltage air conditioning + electrically heated catalytic converters.

But I agree with you.
+ IMO the way the processes are set up and the way rules are being tackled is really on top of everything else as well.
The FIA showcar (following their rules) might be a car, slower than any Indicar... but the cars the Teams create are far superior.
So based on any given ruleset it is still the pinnacle of motorsport.

[MtthsMlw]

Not a great sight..

[matt_s]

Cars from Mercedes and Land Rover also carry active suspensions (mostly for comfort).

I think there's a few F1 drivers asking for a bit of comfort right now.

[henry]

I find it really silly and frankly frustrating that they would ban the hydraulic suspension systems with the introduction of ground effect. Have we learnt nothing from the past? The frustration comes from the fact that this problem is solvable and indeed has been solved already.

Indycar use only four dampers, don't they? Why does F1 need a more fancy suspension system?

I don't agree with the notion that F1 teams need elaborate suspensions when most other open-wheel racing cars -- likely Swift venturi Formula Nippon cars or indeed F2 included -- make do with four shocks, four springs, and two anti-roll bars (I guess as specified by the rules).

An extra $5 mill on the budget cap, or cars bouncing around so violently they’re literally shaking themselves to bits?

Far enough, but if the engineers in other series can tune the car with just four dampers (as likely demanded by the regulations in those series), why should F1 chassis engineers be allowed to introduce extra complexity however they wish?

Not quite if I rely on this article by @Scarbs. https://motorsport.tech/motorsport/ind ... velopment.

4 springs and dampers, a third spring at each end and inerters allowed. So F1 gains a third damper but loses inerters in comparison.

I don’t know about inertial damper valving, banned in F1.

And the tyres in Indy car are smaller diameter and lower profile, so likely quite a bit stiffer.

[Jambier]

Not a great sight..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMbhHkKWYAY ... name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMbhNpXXMAA ... name=large

Poor testing for Alpine indeed, not sure they will run again today, meaning end of first testing for them.
Several years of working on 2022, and they will be... fighting for P5 in constructor, as always, against Aston Martin.

Sad for a fan

[Spoutnik]

AM might fight for podium, I think

[Pramesi]

AM might fight for podium, I think

On what grounds? Not agreeing or disagreeing, just wanted to know if you read some information about it.

[Spoutnik]

Not any specific information, just a feeling.

They've got a good PU, they throw last year' car under the bus in order to work for this year. I also read their concept might work really well for high/medium speed tracks but would struggle a lot on low speed tracks (sort of W12 last season).
Furthermore, they are running a lot in testing without any issue at the moment which is always good.

[_cerber1]

Poor testing for Alpine indeed, not sure they will run again today, meaning end of first testing for them.
Several years of working on 2022, and they will be... fighting for P5 in constructor, as always, against Aston Martin.

Sad for a fan

It takes a little over two hours to replace the motor, and they can resume racing after lunch.

[mclaren111]

[kalinka]

Not a great sight..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMbhHkKWYAY ... name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMbhNpXXMAA ... name=large

Poor testing for Alpine indeed, not sure they will run again today, meaning end of first testing for them.
Several years of working on 2022, and they will be... fighting for P5 in constructor, as always, against Aston Martin.

Sad for a fan

They addmittedly sacrificed reliability for performance this year.
https://www.gptoday.com/details/view/81 ... ne_design/