Sebastian Vettel has won the first race for Red Bull Racing on the soaked Shangai circuit. Team mate Mark Webber completes the joy by making it an excellent 1-2 for the team. Behind them is the unavoidably Brawn of Button. The latter was simply outpaced by today's well balanced RB5's.
Just look at the q2 times pretty muchMoanlower wrote:That would be interesting to see indeed. All you need to know is how much time you lose on a lap per added kg. Anyone ? Bueller ?Clubber wrote:Has anyone worked out the weight adjusted qualifying times rather than just laps of fuel - THAT would be really interesting.
ISLAMATRON wrote:Is that retribution for my sarcastic answer? You must be joking right? What kind of reason can they have for blacking out an event at 2 a.M? If true I will be furious!Giblet wrote:Speed TV has F1 quali blacked out on their channel.
It is in fact the first time I have seen "Off Air" in my PVR guide on speed during F1.
But it still compromised his flying lap, as he couldnt get over the finish line before the flag came out to start it.blobslosak wrote:On the Kovy blocking thing: he was on an out lap, therefore no penalty. Don't worry, no conspiracy against Mclaren.
Here are weight adjusted Q3 times assuming every kg of fuel adds 0.03 seconds to the lap time. It shows that Brawn GP are still the quickest.Clubber wrote:Has anyone worked out the weight adjusted qualifying times rather than just laps of fuel - THAT would be really interesting.
So it looks like the top 4 anything could happen .
Yes in a sense of weight, but no in a sense of how hard would they be trying, in Q3 is when you keeping trying to edge out everything to put yourself on P1. Q2/Q1 is all about not being cut out of the pack - even though this year, it seems like it is hard to 'feel safe' unless you drive a BrawnGP - and as of today, even a Toyota didn't make it.Roland Ehnström wrote:Interesting, but isn't it easier to just look at the Q2 times, where everyone was (probably) running as light as possible?
It would also have caused him to lose a lot of tyre temperature (relatively) right at the start of his flying lap, compromising most of his first sector time through really messing up turn 1 for him.blobslosak wrote:Did he not? I thought he did. Would be harsh to penalise for blocking someone on an out lap tbh, especially when there is three cars all coming to the slowest corner on the track at the same time. Just unlucky I guess.
I agree it will have compromised his out lap, but when have we seen that penalised before? Not being argumentative, just curious.myurr wrote:It would also have caused him to lose a lot of tyre temperature (relatively) right at the start of his flying lap, compromising most of his first sector time through really messing up turn 1 for him.blobslosak wrote:Did he not? I thought he did. Would be harsh to penalise for blocking someone on an out lap tbh, especially when there is three cars all coming to the slowest corner on the track at the same time. Just unlucky I guess.
Not only was there the 1 - 2 seconds of additional cooling on the tyres, but he wasn't able to put anywhere near the usual level of load through the tyres through that penultimate corner resulting in less heat being generated.
We've seen drivers penalised for that before.
True, but according to the "weight adjusted Q3 time" Alonso ran almost a full second faster than Hamilton, which I find very hard to believe. Perhaps the time disadvantage of one extra kg of fuel is more like 0.05s on this track rather than 0.03s, which would give the following "weight adjusted Q3 times":NDR008 wrote:Yes in a sense of weight, but no in a sense of how hard would they be trying, in Q3 is when you keeping trying to edge out everything to put yourself on P1. Q2/Q1 is all about not being cut out of the pack - even though this year, it seems like it is hard to 'feel safe' unless you drive a BrawnGP - and as of today, even a Toyota didn't make it.Roland Ehnström wrote:Interesting, but isn't it easier to just look at the Q2 times, where everyone was (probably) running as light as possible?
[-X 0.05s is too much. If anything it's less than 0.03s. Hamilton most likely had a poor lap or his car doesn't handle as well as the others when it's heavy. A better way might be to take the average of Q1, Q2 and Weight Adjusted Q3 times:Roland Ehnström wrote:True, but according to the "weight adjusted Q3 time" Alonso ran almost a full second faster than Hamilton, which I find very hard to believe. Perhaps the time disadvantage of one extra kg of fuel is more like 0.05s on this track rather than 0.03s, ...NDR008 wrote:Yes in a sense of weight, but no in a sense of how hard would they be trying, in Q3 is when you keeping trying to edge out everything to put yourself on P1. Q2/Q1 is all about not being cut out of the pack - even though this year, it seems like it is hard to 'feel safe' unless you drive a BrawnGP - and as of today, even a Toyota didn't make it.Roland Ehnström wrote:Interesting, but isn't it easier to just look at the Q2 times, where everyone was (probably) running as light as possible?
I wonder if Adrian Newey would like the climate in Italy. You know, around Maranello?Roland Ehnström wrote:Interesting, but isn't it easier to just look at the Q2 times, where everyone was (probably) running as light as possible?
Anyway, it's quite clear that Brawn and Red Bull have the edge here, and will probably fill the podium.
