FIA introduces £30m budget cap

[Belatti]

I'm just happy about the engine proposals

21,000rpm anyone?

Yeah...but why would a non capped supplier provide a team with a better motor than they have and allow them to run at uber revs?

Is this going to mean unlimited revs on Cosworth only engines?

Yeah, I was thinking about that when I read the FIA statements.

Also I have got the same feeling as Sawtooth-spike: there is going to be Alot of problem with this.

What I dont get is this: if you can run engines on unlimited rpm, would you still have to make them last 3 races

Its not easy to make a 21.000 rpm engine last 3 races. In fact, what Cosworth achieved before leaving was to run the Williams at 20.000 rpm for the whole race, but only for ONE race.

Taking the reliability issue out, lets do some little maths:





Now an increase of 2.000 rpm supposing we maintain the same Mean pressure (let me lie a little bit here) is:



Thats an increase of more than 80HP in peak power... can be compared to having a full time running KERS (I know, I know peak doesnt mean constant but just to have the numbers in our head)

If I knew some investors I would try to convince them and I would go for the cap + a Cosworth engine

[Fil]

Cosworth will be licking their lips in readiness for 2010.

I wonder if we'll see the end of Williams-Toyota.. the budget cap leaves Williams in a stronger financial position to not need Toyota's financial partnership.

[xpensive]

Impressive stuff Fangio, amazingly enough I get the same result from 20/18 * 750 = 833 HP.

[Scotracer]

80BHP would equate to around 0.8-1 second per lap difference.

[xpensive]

By the way, did anyone elso notice that : * Fines or penalties imposed by the FIA; will be excluded from the cap?

Surely intended as a concession to McLaren, no?

[timbo]

By the way, did anyone elso notice that : * Fines or penalties imposed by the FIA; will be excluded from the cap?

Surely intended as a concession to McLaren, no?

Well, actually drivers are often given fines for speeding on pitlane, or something like Vettel/Kubica accident. These are paid by teams and not the drivers, so I think no need to raise that McLaren-has-to-pay-all-the-time thing once more.

[xpensive]

I wonder what activities can be roomed within "marketing costs" though, taking MrM to dinner perhaps?

[ISLAMATRON]

Interesting consequence of the new rules:

The capped teams have unlimited revs(constrained by engine life) but with the ban on refueling the extra weight needed to fuel those high revs will incur a speed penalty, and wear out the tires more... very interesting strategy options there.

The teams will have to balance unlimited revs, engine life(still 8 engines per season?), fuel weight(higher revs requires more fuel) & tire wear(more fuel carried at the start of the race because of refueling ban)

Oh yeah, tire warmer ban has been confirmed as well... I love IT!

Any mention of the upgraded KERS limits?

[Dukeage]

Yes, 120kW limit (twice the power) for the same time.

Also, on Page 29 - budget capped teams will be permitted four wheel drive (I kid you not!).

[hulmerist]

so will the new regs for freedom on the wings mess up all that the owg have set up?

[ISLAMATRON]

Yes, 120kW limit (twice the power) for the same time.

Also, on Page 29 - budget capped teams will be permitted four wheel drive (I kid you not!).

161 hp! with unlimited rev engines!

You shitting me?!?!?!? Plus they can have active front & REAR WINGS... these qualifying speeds are going to be off the charts.

I hope we have 4 qualifying sessions instead of 3... more qualifying woohoo!

Q1-6 cars eliminated (20 mins)
Q2-6 more (15 mins)
Q3-6 more (15 mins)
Q4-top 8 car shootout (10 mins) LOW FUEL!

1 full hour of on tack qually like the good old days, but the separate sessions make sure there is always action on the rack.

[The FOZ]

I find the whole budget cap concept is going to be counterproductive, it will be very difficult to balance the advantages of capped teams with that of non-capped. I think in the end, we'll see everyone going with the cap - the advantages of moveable front AND rear aero, higher revs, AWD, and full-sized wind tunnels again is huge.

And isn't a relatively undeveloped technology like KERS pretty much at odds with cost control measures? I see it as a money pit, really.

[Scotracer]

Anyone else see this restriction on KERS usage in the regs (Page 17):

For Cost-Regulated Teams only the following will apply :
- the power in is unrestricted ;
- the power out is limited to 120kW ;
- the energy released per lap is limited to 800kJ ;
- measurements will be taken at any FIA approved point in the drivetrain

The KERS may not be operated whilst the car is travelling above 300km/h

So we have engines (if they can get them up to 20,000rpm) with 80BHP more than the limited ones and KERS with another 80BHP on top of that. 830BHP vs 910BHP on KERS.

[kNt]

160 hp KERS and the engines only have to last one GP!

Btw. the two adjustably front wing flaps (left and right) can be adjusted independently, as many times as they want and by the ECU (the driver input paragraph does not apply to the cap-teams).

[ISLAMATRON]

They saved costs on the KERS by exactly doubling it... the teams dont have to make new components, all they have to do is fit the car with 2 battery packs & 2 MGU's. I think they still may be able to use 1 control unit

161hp for less than 50kg in McLaren's case