2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

[LM10]

It seemed a good 5-6 seconds whilst Perez was stopped before Sainz hit him.

Ill be massively shocked that the marshall on the corner took that long to put the flags out.

Didn’t you see the picture above? The point where Sainz saw the yellow flag for the first time is a braking zone where he already was slowing down at naturally. At the time he saw Perez, it was too late.

I mean there is much more chance for sainz to have seen the marshall with the yellow than where he was at. Its not the first possible chance he could have seen the marshall.

Maybe someone needs to go onboard with sainz and pick up his route/first possible chance to see the marshall as hes turning right and see if there were flags out.

Maybe you try driving at Monaco and be aware of everything around you at the very first second.

Drivers have told that at some point you have a tunnel view when driving at Monaco. You’re absolutely focused on nailing the lap without touching the wall.

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how come no one is dicussing the penalty for Leclerc for missing the weight check?! Marko says normally he'll need to start last or even from the pits, and I think he is right

Do you really want Leclerc to start from the pits because he unintentionally missed the weighing bridge by 20 meters and immediately after that was pushed back to position?

I'm trying to find the words for a person wishing that to the driver who more than deserved to be on pole. Is your fear this big?

Better forget it and move on.

it had nothing to with what I want or not, it was just the the way I remembered the rules, and apparently Marko as well. As clarified later on, this is not the case (anymore?), so everything is fine.

edit: just checked the old rules as well, and until 2019 every rider who failed to stop got a reprimand at least, no matter if unintentional or brought back or not. Pit lane start only if worked on in between or not brought back immediately

[chrisc90]

Didn’t you see the picture above? The point where Sainz saw the yellow flag for the first time is a braking zone where he already was slowing down at naturally. At the time he saw Perez, it was too late.

I mean there is much more chance for sainz to have seen the marshall with the yellow than where he was at. Its not the first possible chance he could have seen the marshall.

Maybe someone needs to go onboard with sainz and pick up his route/first possible chance to see the marshall as hes turning right and see if there were flags out.

Maybe you try driving at Monaco and be aware of everything around you at the very first second.

Drivers have told that at some point you have a tunnel view when driving at Monaco. You’re absolutely focused on nailing the lap without touching the wall.

I guess its no excuse for missing double yellows though?

I mean I understand your completely focused, but relying on the team or the lights on your steering wheel cant be used as a excuse.

Would love to see Sainz onboard going into that corner from where I screenshotted (from Perez) onwards.

[Drift4794]

Sainz onboard last Q3 run:

[Sevach]

https://i.imgur.com/sa4aViA.png

Pole lap difference PER v LEC.
* There is really minimal difference between the 2 cars
* A couple of issues from LEC in S3
* Ferrari is just stronger in the hairpin area corners, by the looks of the trace it seems they can afford to brake much later because the car will turn in anyway. RedBull might be a bit more understeery than the Ferrari.

Here's the aborted lap from LEC compared to PER:

https://i.imgur.com/zZRNCiN.png

* Ferrari here was a bit oversteering, very evident in S1 from TV feed
* Leclerc was taking every braking point to the absolute limit while still being faster in every single corner, that's a sign of oversteer (late corner entry still similar apex)
* This lap was a true monster, sad we couldn't see it to the end.

Sainz risks nothing from the race director, they went with single yellow, he got it right before corner entry and from his position you can't see where Perez crashed, easy to see from the onboard f1tv. You folks listen too much to sky sports.

What's funnier is that they went with straight red when tsunoda crashed and nothing really happened, and single yellow with Perez stopped sideways in the middle of a blind corner.

And Leclerc didn't miss the weight check, the condition is that mechanics must not take the car in the pits, nothing wrong happened and it was also displayed super late to Leclerc, he had already finished the chicane for entry pits when it was displayed to him.

Charles so much later on the brakes, also his mid corner speed on the casino square... leaving nothing on the table.

Edit: Sainz is in the clear for me, the yellow was very late.

[Big Tea]

From the point about 18 seconds in the clip, it looks like a road car could easily have made that stop form 40mph?
Really surprised an F1 could not. And I am not saying he should be penalised just remarking .


Edit. A commentator mentioned 45mph, not seen display

[chrstphrln]

Sainz onboard last Q3 run:

Thanks for that.
There was nothing he could do.

[Mogster]

Isn’t there a steering wheel indication? Panels? Radio warning by pitwall? I remember all these being mentioned on the back of the Max/Gasly incident in Qatar 2021.

[chrisc90]

Marshalling board looked to beat the actual waved flag out from that clip.

Still surprised he couldnt have come to a stop though

[F1ern]

Sainz did nothing wrong, maybe he panicked at the last moment but he tried everything he could to avoid it.

[JordanMugen]

Leclerc

Two drivers from the top four will bin it in qualifying. Mark my words.

Well predicted. Perez dropped in on the bend that leads to the tunnel (very strange, corner entry oversteer?) and took out Sainz too.

Perez was already on the way to the crash before the apex. Normally people crash by running wide on the exit there, so that kind of crash is rather odd indeed.

[bonjon1979]

I'm sure he won't be panelized, my only question is Perez and Sainz. Will either of them have gearbox issues? Also will either of them be panelized if they change gearbox, or does it tap into their reserve?

Slam dunk penalty, blind corner, didn’t lift in any meaningful way. Hit a stopped car. If there was a fire then a Marshall could very well have run on the track by then. They’ve no choice but to give a penalty otherwise what signal does that send..:

There is no chance he'll get penalized, sorry.

https://i.postimg.cc/VmPqdCNS/IMG-3888.jpg

This is the first time it was displayed to him, it's a single yellow, he's already turning in the corner and you can't see Perez, and of course he's braking since it's a corner, he's in 2nd gear too.

It's not the light, it's the marshall. If you watch the onboard, the flag is visible long before this frame. Its harsh but they have to penalise this stuff, they just can't be casual about it and nor should they be. Sainz is massively unfortunate, he probably didn't see the flag but ultimately it was waving. He didn't slow. And he crashed into a car where the driver could've been getting out or there might have been a marshall on track.

[chrisc90]

https://scuderiafans.com/carlos-sainz-t ... uGgewWfFRo

I think Sainz owes Max an apology for that!

[dialtone]

Slam dunk penalty, blind corner, didn’t lift in any meaningful way. Hit a stopped car. If there was a fire then a Marshall could very well have run on the track by then. They’ve no choice but to give a penalty otherwise what signal does that send..:

There is no chance he'll get penalized, sorry.

https://i.postimg.cc/VmPqdCNS/IMG-3888.jpg

This is the first time it was displayed to him, it's a single yellow, he's already turning in the corner and you can't see Perez, and of course he's braking since it's a corner, he's in 2nd gear too.

It's not the light, it's the marshall. If you watch the onboard, the flag is visible long before this frame. Its harsh but they have to penalise this stuff, they just can't be casual about it and nor should they be. Sainz is massively unfortunate, he probably didn't see the flag but ultimately it was waving. He didn't slow. And he crashed into a car where the driver could've been getting out or there might have been a marshall on track.

I'm pretty sure there's 0 chance they'll penalize this. No driver on the grid would fault Sainz for that and neither would the RD.

[chrisc90]

Marshalling board looked to beat the actual waved flag out from that clip.

Still surprised he couldnt have come to a stop though

Looking back it looks like the flag was waving as he comes round the corner. Hard to see because of the glare, but its definitely waving long before.