2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

[RicME85]

"Wheel to wheel."

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Yep, that's the exact definition. If anything, it's more than just wheel to wheel, his wheel is even past the mid point of Checo's car.

Another thing that's quite obvious, is the fact that Checo will have left less (well, a lot less) than a car's width by the time they reach the apex, which he is under obligation to. Very, very naughty from Perez that could've put both cars out on the spot.

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Russell was behind at the apex (see pic) and didn't leave space to Perez who had the right to space.

Wrong.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

[N21]

It was a gift because the only person capable of challenging for the win crashed out. That's not Max's fault, of course, and he did what was required to bring the car home for the win so well done Max. It would have been much harder if Charles had kept it on track.

How far do you go down the line with that though? Is every position gained when someone runs wide/goes off gifted too?

We could go as far as another gifted podium for Mercedes, But it’s just how racing goes

It was a gifted podium place, Mercedes would have at best been 3rd had Charles finished the race. It was only Lewis having a great start and then driving brilliantly to defend against Perez that gave them a sniff of a podium - Perez should have been on the podium.

Tbh Perez did not deserve the podium today. Very clever move from Russell at the restart, caught Perez sleeping. Made me laugh

Gutted for leclerc. Watching him and max race is so enjoyable and to have that taken away by dnf’s is just a shame.

Boring race after leclerc crashed

[Shrieker]

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Russell was behind at the apex (see pic) and didn't leave space to Perez who had the right to space.

It's not about being alongside at the apex (which Russell doesn't even manage - he's behind). If it was about just being alongside or slightly behind at the apex, max would not have been penalized at Monza last season. We've seen them being decently consistent with this. Precedent is that you cannot launch from miles behind with dive-bombs and claim a right to the corner by shoving a nose in

Ok then, if there's a car on your inside, just leave him no space and crash out

That makes a lot of sense.

Wrong.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

This Thank you.

[214270]

Yep, that's the exact definition. If anything, it's more than just wheel to wheel, his wheel is even past the mid point of Checo's car.

Another thing that's quite obvious, is the fact that Checo will have left less (well, a lot less) than a car's width by the time they reach the apex, which he is under obligation to. Very, very naughty from Perez that could've put both cars out on the spot.

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Russell was behind at the apex (see pic) and didn't leave space to Perez who had the right to space.

Wrong.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

No, it was correctly applied.

“the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.“

[JordanMugen]

The Ferrari strategy is confusing me so much.

Ferrari strategy making seems to be rather sluggish... Why do they keep asking the drivers? For balance though, they asked Leclerc "We are considering Plan D" and he said "Understood" (not "I think XYZ"), as if he is happy to follow the team strategy as opposed to Sainz wanting to drive the strategy from the car.

Meanwhile, on other matters, RBR (and some others) were already out in the pitlane with tyres before a safety car was even called.

[gandharva]

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Exactly. He barely was able to make the corner after he forced Checo off track.

[Big Tea]

I think Merc need to get a guru in to help Russell keep his cool. I was concerned about this before season start, it is going to cost him.

[dialtone]

Yep, that's the exact definition. If anything, it's more than just wheel to wheel, his wheel is even past the mid point of Checo's car.

Another thing that's quite obvious, is the fact that Checo will have left less (well, a lot less) than a car's width by the time they reach the apex, which he is under obligation to. Very, very naughty from Perez that could've put both cars out on the spot.

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Russell was behind at the apex (see pic) and didn't leave space to Perez who had the right to space.

Wrong.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

Fair enough, but nowhere says that they have the right to slam on the side of the overtaken car, Perez left space clearly so he's not in violation.

[organic]

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Exactly. He barely was able to make the corner after he forced Checo off track.
https://i.imgur.com/gGd8nS2.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Kp8k9v2.jpeg

Not dissimilar to Max's move on Lewis on L1 AD last year which they've reportedly been clear in driver briefings are outlawed this year

[Shrieker]

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Exactly. He barely was able to make the corner after he forced Checo off track.
https://i.imgur.com/gGd8nS2.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Kp8k9v2.jpeg

No, As can be clearly seen in the first pick, Perez is not leaving Russell the space required to survive, And Russell goes wide due to the contact, and due to being squeezed onto the kerb to avoid contact, which causes him to veer wide. He would've been able to make the corner sans that much squeezing from Perez, you don't know that. Still Perez could've been able to at least get space to put like half his car inside the track. He chose being extremely naughty instead.

Fair enough, but nowhere says that they have the right to slam on the side of the overtaken car, Perez left space clearly so he's not in violation.

No I would argue he very clearly didn't leave enough space to make the corner for Russell without going onto the inside kerb, which jumps the car up and takes any chance of taking the corner properly.

[SmallSoldier]

That's not the rule this year. You have to be ahead at the apex to be granted space, you definitely need to leave it.

Russell was behind at the apex (see pic) and didn't leave space to Perez who had the right to space.

Wrong.

In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.

Fair enough, but nowhere says that they have the right to slam on the side of the overtaken car, Perez left space clearly so he's not in violation.

It depends on perspective… From my point of view, Perez “close the door” knowing that Russell was there, therefore been the one initiating the contact… Perez drove into the Apex as if Russell’s car wasn’t there… So, Perez didn’t “leave space”.

On the other hand, it was a very late overtaking attempt from Russell, therefore he also bears responsibility… The fact that the stewards didn’t penalize either driver is a reflection of the above, both contributed to the incident.

[BlueCheetah66]

Can I just say, that was one of the worst commentary from Sky the whole weekend. I never wanna see Paul Di Resta in the commentary booth again. They were both so bad. If you can't get Martin in then at least get someone decent, maybe Button.

[Neuron]

Professor Alonso

[Hammerfist]

"Wheel to wheel."

https://i.imgur.com/y79xTxl.jpeg

Slam dunk penalty for Russell there, they gave it to Ocon for the same thing in the same corner.

Agreed .. he had no business there.
I really don't like his attitude as well, Norris was right when he said that going to Merc made him a different lad ... and not for the better.
Pity he got 3rd and wasn't punished for his tracklimits, and once again the brittish bias sees him as the Second Coming ...

Russell is an absolute assassin behind the wheel. I quite like him. None of these guys are going to be fair minded when it comes to incidents like this. Deep inside I think he knows he was wrong to complain. But that is what makes them the beasts that they are. We just need to get this car on par with the top 2 and we will make life very difficult for the flying dutchman.

[GrizzleBoy]

It's crazy to think that Sainz could've actually won today, but Ferrari garage did so much to hinder him.

Very slow pit stop, followed by being unsafely released into a Williams that was inches away from actually ending his race.

Then refusing to make a last stop as he requested, only deciding to stop after he already passed for P3 and had pace to catch and pass for P2 at least.

There is too much going wrong all at the same time.