2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Slahinki]

No team can be perfect and record shows on pit stops Ferrari is the best this season.

Them being the best at pitstops this season honestly make blunders like this one worse.

Also it wouldn't have changed anything to do that stop faster.

You should go watch the replay again. If they didn't mess up on the front right they could have released him well clear of Albon.

[dialtone]

No team can be perfect and record shows on pit stops Ferrari is the best this season.

Them being the best at pitstops this season honestly make blunders like this one worse.

Also it wouldn't have changed anything to do that stop faster.

You should go watch the replay again. If they didn't mess up on the front right they could have released him well clear of Albon.

Sure but the end result of the race would have been the same.

[organic]

Ferrari are the best on pitstops this season? I was under the impression McLaren and RB have been more consistently quick

[aleks_ader]

Ferrari are the best on pitstops this season? I was under the impression McLaren and RB have been more consistently quick

No. The are not. OG poster is right at least that was stats 1 or 2 races back.

[dialtone]

Ferrari are the best on pitstops this season? I was under the impression McLaren and RB have been more consistently quick

This is before the french gp

[aleks_ader]

Sure Charles F u p- Strategy was on point and going long had its sense. They forced RB in suboptimal strat.

I guess pitstop blunder was total phycological meltdown because their best driver made mistake. That's is huge problem for management. How to gather thoughts after such mistakes? How will Laurent Meekies solve this? I saw he organised some sort pep talks before Autrian race weekend in pitlane. So there quite a challenge how improve collective spirit. I guess individual trainings and clear organizational goals will need to get revisit.

Maybe is even language barrier and trust issue with upper management. Does Laurent even spoke Italian?

Were they not going to pit Leclerc the lap when he crashed. If so, Red Bulls strategy would not have been suboptimal and maybe even good if Verstappen successfully undercut

That i m asking also myself. But we will never know. Lec lost track position no matter what. Pace tho was not bad so i m assuming they could go longer as planned.

[aleks_ader]

Ferrari are the best on pitstops this season? I was under the impression McLaren and RB have been more consistently quick

This is before the french gp

https://preview.redd.it/8cjqt8lda4d91.p ... 80e1ecd88e

Yeah but that does not fit into narrative "Ferrari bad fire Binotto"

[Slahinki]

Ferrari are the best on pitstops this season? I was under the impression McLaren and RB have been more consistently quick

This is before the french gp

https://preview.redd.it/8cjqt8lda4d91.p ... 80e1ecd88e

Damn, that's a nice graphic! Pretty close in the top 3 it seems.

[Sevach]

What i don't get is if Charles was going long to catch Verstappen later in the race why was he pushing so hard at that stage...

Same as Imola. There was nothing to gain from over pushing and he throws away ....

Still there is the big question, why they did an inlap at this point. I mean inlap is full push, but I do not get why the strategy was to pit on this lap. The tires on Ver dropped away, but Lec had decent laps, no drop visible. Only 1-2 more laps and Alfonso is cleared, maybe some 5 laps and even the Mercs are gone. That was easily possible, Gas did over 30 laps on the mediums with a better pace in the end than the hard runners around him.

As they also pitted Sainz after ~20 laps or wanted to pit him, I guess the strategist had an agenda of "20 laps on the medium". No input from the race, but just 20 laps...

As others said no signs they were pitting that lap, they declined an attempt at covering the first lap out (and Max ran into Norris, lead 27,xxx , it was touch and go) after declining lap 1 doesn't make a lot of sense to try and cover on the second lap.
This is Binotto “Charles got the pole, he was leading the race. I think we had an edge on the Red Bull in terms of tyre degradation. By lap 15 Max had to stop, we could have extended the stint and we were extending the stint."
“I think at the time when Max stopped, when he was starting to suffer from tyre degradations, Charles was gaining two or three tenths per lap on him. So proving once again that our car is great, gentle tyre management, the drivers as well are doing the proper job."

Charles should've calmed down and understood they needed to go at least 5 laps more.

Sainz it's another can of worms, they pitted him for mediums lap 18 at the SC(race restarts lap 20), the race has 53(33 laps remaining then) laps, nobody else is stopping a second time...
You either take the bet and go to the end in these tires or you do a "optimized" 16-17 lap stints and Carlos should know the plan wether it's save a bit or full attack beforehand.

22 and 11l stints? That makes no sense.

[mzso]

10 races left and Charles is a 2.5 (technically 3 races) deficit to max. That’s 3 whole races max can’t score any points to get back level for the fight.

Granted another penalty for components likely given the usage so far this season, that’s 4 races to draw level.

It looks a long steep road to climb

It’ll be hard to see the best car not winning the championship, but it’s not over yet.

The best car has an engine that doesn't self-destruct within 2-3 races on average.

[mzso]

Reality is relative . Enjoy your reality. Signing-off.

No, a major point of reality is that there is only one... Delusions are limitless, feel free to keep your delusions to yourself.

[LM10]

10 races left and Charles is a 2.5 (technically 3 races) deficit to max. That’s 3 whole races max can’t score any points to get back level for the fight.

Granted another penalty for components likely given the usage so far this season, that’s 4 races to draw level.

It looks a long steep road to climb

It’ll be hard to see the best car not winning the championship, but it’s not over yet.

The best car has an engine that doesn't self-destruct within 2-3 races on average.

Best car as in best pace, obviously.

Anyway, Ferrari is playing the long game in terms of PU. They’ve told that numerous times. You can be sure that they’ve expected reliability problems beforehand. But it’s possible to make the most powerful PU reliable, the other way around not. Better to have it like that, with years of homologated engines to come.

[basti313]

What i don't get is if Charles was going long to catch Verstappen later in the race why was he pushing so hard at that stage...

Same as Imola. There was nothing to gain from over pushing and he throws away ....

Still there is the big question, why they did an inlap at this point. I mean inlap is full push, but I do not get why the strategy was to pit on this lap. The tires on Ver dropped away, but Lec had decent laps, no drop visible. Only 1-2 more laps and Alfonso is cleared, maybe some 5 laps and even the Mercs are gone. That was easily possible, Gas did over 30 laps on the mediums with a better pace in the end than the hard runners around him.

As they also pitted Sainz after ~20 laps or wanted to pit him, I guess the strategist had an agenda of "20 laps on the medium". No input from the race, but just 20 laps...

As others said no signs they were pitting that lap, they declined an attempt at covering the first lap out (and Max ran into Norris, lead 27,xxx , it was touch and go) after declining lap 1 doesn't make a lot of sense to try and cover on the second lap.
This is Binotto “Charles got the pole, he was leading the race. I think we had an edge on the Red Bull in terms of tyre degradation. By lap 15 Max had to stop, we could have extended the stint and we were extending the stint."
“I think at the time when Max stopped, when he was starting to suffer from tyre degradations, Charles was gaining two or three tenths per lap on him. So proving once again that our car is great, gentle tyre management, the drivers as well are doing the proper job."

Charles should've calmed down and understood they needed to go at least 5 laps more.

Sainz it's another can of worms, they pitted him for mediums lap 18 at the SC(race restarts lap 20), the race has 53(33 laps remaining then) laps, nobody else is stopping a second time...
You either take the bet and go to the end in these tires or you do a "optimized" 16-17 lap stints and Carlos should know the plan wether it's save a bit or full attack beforehand.

22 and 11l stints? That makes no sense.

Right before the crash the team got ready for a pitstop as far as I remember.

[tpe]

I read every post so far...

And it seems that most of you (to say it politely) question Ferrari's strategy at various levels and you worry about reliability.
I have to remind you that Binotto never said that this year's target is either of the championships. And I strongly believe because he already knew that the engine is not reliable enough. Probably he didn't expect all those failures, but still... Anyway, the engine is an issue that will be fixed.

The strategy on the other hand seems to be all over the place. In one race they are perfect, on the next one they seem lost. I don't believe it's black and white. Nothing in life is black and white.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. I still believe that their software is not capable to react on real time data. Which forces them to stick to the well known pre-defined plan A,B,C,D,E (I think we heard E on Canada?). And this is a very possible explanation for their "lost in space" reactions when there is something unplanned (SC, VSC, slow pitstop, undercut, double stack etc).

Then we have the huge issue with the race engineers. I am sorry, but they don't do a good job. Actually they are doing a terrible job! Communication is vital. Ferrari seems not to understand this. Leclerc not being able to engage reverse, means he didn't practice the procedure enough times to familiarize himself. They don't need track time for this, they can practice it back in the factory. But isn't the job of his race engineer to be sure that the car and the driver are prepared at their best? Unless of course his job is just the car, in which case I have to ask why do they keep those guys in the communication loop!
Having your race engineer asking you to pit when you are right behind Perez is one thing. But asking you to pit when it's clear that you will attack in the following 2-3 corners means you don't pay any attention to your driver! Not to mention that your driver already told you to stay out because they wouldn't have time to catch them later. If data show that he will not finish the race, you go on the radio and say so.

Now, for the slow pit-stop: Hot headed Carlos left with the red light on. Pitstop was slow because something was stuck. Those things happen. Every team has issues every now and then. The fact that this year Ferrari has the record of the fastest pitstop (and got it twice!) means that normally they are fast.
STILL, this is something that they have to PRACTICE in the factory!!! I mean the could even practice that in Fiorano with 4 years old Ferraris, to make it as realistic as possible!

[deadhead]

What i don't get is if Charles was going long to catch Verstappen later in the race why was he pushing so hard at that stage...

Poor judgement is my best guess..