2010 regulation row on £40m budget cap

[spacepig]

but limited to 85% models

What would be the point of that? If you have a tunnel big enough to hold an 85% car, you have a tunnel big enough to hold a full size car, the cheapest way to run it is to stick the actual car inside. Model programs are very expensive. You have to duplicate all your tooling in a smaller size. Building a 50% scale model isn't half the cost.

The only reason we even have scale models is because until recently nobody had built a rolling road tunnel big enough to hold a real car.

[roost89]

I say increase the grid by 50% to 30 cars, but also increase the people in the points to the top 10, like this:

1st) 15pts
2nd) 12pts
3rd) 10Pts
4th) 8Pts
5th) 6Pts
6th) 5Pts
7th) 4Pts
8th) 3Pts
9th) 2Pts
10th) 1Pt

2Pts for fastest lap (Person must finish with in the points to score theese points
3Pts for most overtakes in the race (Person must finish outside the top 10 to score theese)
1Pt for pole posistion.

Assuming the person in 1st place, gets pole and the fastest lap. He'd end up with 18 points for a race but the person who starts in. 20th (or 30th as you propose) and lands 11th would destroy them on points. 27 points from 20th and 57 points from 30th. That'd make alot of overtaking but more probably because cars would be dropping back to get 11th. Unlikely but you'd only need to overtake 6 cars to surpass the points for 1st place.

The points system minus the fastest lap, pole and overtaking gubbins, however sounds good.

[gridwalker]

I say increase the grid by 50% to 30 cars, but also increase the people in the points to the top 10, like this:

1st) 15pts
2nd) 12pts
3rd) 10Pts
4th) 8Pts
5th) 6Pts
6th) 5Pts
7th) 4Pts
8th) 3Pts
9th) 2Pts
10th) 1Pt

2Pts for fastest lap (Person must finish with in the points to score theese points
3Pts for most overtakes in the race (Person must finish outside the top 10 to score theese)
1Pt for pole posistion.

Assuming the person in 1st place, gets pole and the fastest lap. He'd end up with 18 points for a race but the person who starts in. 20th (or 30th as you propose) and lands 11th would destroy them on points. 27 points from 20th and 57 points from 30th. That'd make alot of overtaking but more probably because cars would be dropping back to get 11th. Unlikely but you'd only need to overtake 6 cars to surpass the points for 1st place.

The points system minus the fastest lap, pole and overtaking gubbins, however sounds good.

I got the impression that the idea was just 3 points for making the most passing moves, not 3 points per pass.

[andartop]

Assuming the person in 1st place, gets pole and the fastest lap. He'd end up with 18 points for a race but the person who starts in. 20th (or 30th as you propose) and lands 11th would destroy them on points. 27 points from 20th and 57 points from 30th. That'd make alot of overtaking but more probably because cars would be dropping back to get 11th. Unlikely but you'd only need to overtake 6 cars to surpass the points for 1st place.

The points system minus the fastest lap, pole and overtaking gubbins, however sounds good.

Erm...I don't think he meant 3 points for EVERY overtake..

EDIT: oops, too late!

[gcdugas]

Assuming the person in 1st place, gets pole and the fastest lap. He'd end up with 18 points for a race but the person who starts in. 20th (or 30th as you propose) and lands 11th would destroy them on points. 27 points from 20th and 57 points from 30th. That'd make alot of overtaking but more probably because cars would be dropping back to get 11th. Unlikely but you'd only need to overtake 6 cars to surpass the points for 1st place.

The points system minus the fastest lap, pole and overtaking gubbins, however sounds good.

I give you an "F" in reading comprehension. Nowhere was it suggested that it is 3pts for each car you pass. Just that the driver who gained the most positions but finishes outside the top 10, would get 3 pts for doing that.

[Scotracer]

No agreement between teams and FIA

The FIA's crunch meeting with teams ended without agreement on Friday as the governing body refused to compromise over plans for a two-tier category.

Max Mosley said there had been 'friendly' discussions with teams but that the FIA was not willing to back down over its plans for a £40 million cap.

Teams have now gone into another meeting to discuss their response to the FIA's stance.

Furthermore, it emerged during the meeting that Ferrari has lodged legal action in the French courts to block the 2010 rules - claiming their introduction was a breach of a technical veto they had.

More to follow

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75324

Bu bye F1.

[gridwalker]

No agreement between teams and FIA

The FIA's crunch meeting with teams ended without agreement on Friday as the governing body refused to compromise over plans for a two-tier category.

Max Mosley said there had been 'friendly' discussions with teams but that the FIA was not willing to back down over its plans for a £40 million cap.

Teams have now gone into another meeting to discuss their response to the FIA's stance.

Furthermore, it emerged during the meeting that Ferrari has lodged legal action in the French courts to block the 2010 rules - claiming their introduction was a breach of a technical veto they had.

More to follow

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75324

Bu bye F1.

Why, oh why, oh why didn't Spankgate bring Max down ...

[ESPImperium]

I say increase the grid by 50% to 30 cars, but also increase the people in the points to the top 10, like this:

1st) 15pts
2nd) 12pts
3rd) 10Pts
4th) 8Pts
5th) 6Pts
6th) 5Pts
7th) 4Pts
8th) 3Pts
9th) 2Pts
10th) 1Pt

2Pts for fastest lap (Person must finish with in the points to score theese points
3Pts for most overtakes in the race (Person must finish outside the top 10 to score theese)
1Pt for pole posistion.

Assuming the person in 1st place, gets pole and the fastest lap. He'd end up with 18 points for a race but the person who starts in. 20th (or 30th as you propose) and lands 11th would destroy them on points. 27 points from 20th and 57 points from 30th. That'd make alot of overtaking but more probably because cars would be dropping back to get 11th. Unlikely but you'd only need to overtake 6 cars to surpass the points for 1st place.

The points system minus the fastest lap, pole and overtaking gubbins, however sounds good. :)

I got the impression that the idea was just 3 points for making the most passing moves, not 3 points per pass.

You 3 points for most passing moves. Provided that the the guy finishes below 10th has the most moves below 10th. For instance, say Buemi starts 11th and finishes 4th and has 8 moves for position during the race, and Sutil starts 20th, but finishes 14th and has 7 moves for posistion, Buemi gets the points for 4th, nothing else, Sutil gets the 3 points for overtaking.

Its designed to give the guys futher down something to fight over, give them some hope when going arround in 16th for instance.

[roost89]

You 3 points for most passing moves. Provided that the the guy finishes below 10th has the most moves below 10th. For instance, say Buemi starts 11th and finishes 4th and has 8 moves for position during the race, and Sutil starts 20th, but finishes 14th and has 7 moves for posistion, Buemi gets the points for 4th, nothing else, Sutil gets the 3 points for overtaking.

Its designed to give the guys futher down something to fight over, give them some hope when going arround in 16th for instance.

Ahh, I see. I mis-read it, sorry.
I understand it now.

[andartop]

Bernie believes it's all going to be just fine according to f1-live.com:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 0455.shtml

[gridwalker]

Bernie believes it's all going to be just fine according to f1-live.com:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 0455.shtml

Of course it's going to be all fine for Bernie : Without Ferrari around, he woun't have to pay out so many kickbacks to keep them in line ...

Buying loyalty doesn't come cheap & siding with FOTA was seen as biting the hand that feeds.

Bernie probably sees himself being in a win/win situation!

[jddh1]

Off to the tribunal we go again...Well done max.

[snowmansion]

Yup Ferrari want to go to court. I'm curious what the WMC will say..

How the hell can the FIA be so stubborn..? You can't tell me that this is the way you treat established names like ferrari and million of fans? Come on..Not to mention all the other teams and fans!
The budget cap has it good sides but not like this... :S

[jddh1]

Tomba, Principessa, please, go on and reserve LMSTechinical.net, or IRLTechnical.net

i'll see you there next year.

[donskar]

So the meetings are over, impasse continues, and the clock keeps ticking toward midnight.