Every post here except for "shitstorm him" feels like this, doesn't it?
I am surprised, that this is the view on team orders. Are we now defending team orders? Is "let xy pass for the championship" now the right thing or only in case of the right driver?
This is the topic of this thread.
Rumors and paddock gossip aren’t secret facts.
Admission as reported by a Dutch journalist who is friendly towards Max, and shares that info 5 months later…yamahasho wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 16:53Great post, I didn't know there was an actual admission. So I found a few sources reporting the same thing.
https://www.marca.com/en/f1/2022/11/13/ ... 801&s_kw=2
"Perez deliberately crashed in Monaco in qualifying and then admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner, which Max Verstappen hasn't forgotten,"
Perez declared in an interview. "I don't understand his attitude after all I have done for him. "If he has won two championships it is thanks to me."
I have said this before, Perez is the dirtiest player in the sport. Or one could say he's the best team player to a number one driver.
I can't believe some posters are actually making excuses for Perez's actions at Monaco. But it's hard to tell Max has integrity for not letting Perez in front of him in Brazil or is being revengeful for Monaco, either way, he's damaged himself, Red Bull and the sport, Max is not a team player and has undermined the team. Max's actions are divisive and have probably divided employee's at Red Bull. Even Schumacher let Barricello pass, but I could be wrong.
A lot of childish stuff going on at Red Bull.
A lot of outlets are reporting this so I don't see it as a rumor, it was literally a confession on social media. Even if it was a rumor, a lot shenanigans going on at Red Bull.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 17:01Admission as reported by a Dutch journalist who is friendly towards Max, and shares that info 5 months later…yamahasho wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 16:53Great post, I didn't know there was an actual admission. So I found a few sources reporting the same thing.
https://www.marca.com/en/f1/2022/11/13/ ... 801&s_kw=2
"Perez deliberately crashed in Monaco in qualifying and then admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner, which Max Verstappen hasn't forgotten,"
Perez declared in an interview. "I don't understand his attitude after all I have done for him. "If he has won two championships it is thanks to me."
I have said this before, Perez is the dirtiest player in the sport. Or one could say he's the best team player to a number one driver.
I can't believe some posters are actually making excuses for Perez's actions at Monaco. But it's hard to tell Max has integrity for not letting Perez in front of him in Brazil or is being revengeful for Monaco, either way, he's damaged himself, Red Bull and the sport, Max is not a team player and has undermined the team. Max's actions are divisive and have probably divided employee's at Red Bull. Even Schumacher let Barricello pass, but I could be wrong.
A lot of childish stuff going on at Red Bull.
Sorry guys, but it’s still a rumor to me.
Trace it back to the source. The media outlets just repeat and amplify each other.yamahasho wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 17:11A lot of outlets are reporting this so I don't see it as a rumor, it was literally a confession on social media. Even if it was a rumor, a lot shenanigans going on at Red Bull.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 17:01Admission as reported by a Dutch journalist who is friendly towards Max, and shares that info 5 months later…yamahasho wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 16:53Great post, I didn't know there was an actual admission. So I found a few sources reporting the same thing.
https://www.marca.com/en/f1/2022/11/13/ ... 801&s_kw=2
"Perez deliberately crashed in Monaco in qualifying and then admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner, which Max Verstappen hasn't forgotten,"
Perez declared in an interview. "I don't understand his attitude after all I have done for him. "If he has won two championships it is thanks to me."
I have said this before, Perez is the dirtiest player in the sport. Or one could say he's the best team player to a number one driver.
I can't believe some posters are actually making excuses for Perez's actions at Monaco. But it's hard to tell Max has integrity for not letting Perez in front of him in Brazil or is being revengeful for Monaco, either way, he's damaged himself, Red Bull and the sport, Max is not a team player and has undermined the team. Max's actions are divisive and have probably divided employee's at Red Bull. Even Schumacher let Barricello pass, but I could be wrong.
A lot of childish stuff going on at Red Bull.
Sorry guys, but it’s still a rumor to me.
Whatever Checo might have done of course does not justify Max placing himself above the team. Even if they did speak about it after Monaco and he then said that he will not help Checo after what he supposedly did.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 10:44My view is that this topic even becoming a thing because of Maxs childish behaviour says a lot.
"He started it", doesn't make it any less childish.
As I said in another topic, Checo could've written a confession, nothing imo excuses Max putting his feelings before the team who collectively including Checo have been instrumental in his championships.
First, I understand RBR order, Max had nothing to lose, points are irrelevant for him, and no podium in play. I think he should have let Checo pass, even if the team already won both WCC and WDC, any team will prefer finishing 1-2 in WDC than 1-3
English isn't Checo's first language. The backwards phrasing makes that obvious.Andres125sx wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 19:19First, I understand RBR order, Max had nothing to lose, points are irrelevant for him, and no podium in play. I think he should have let Checo pass, even if the team already won both WCC and WDC, any team will prefer finishing 1-2 in WDC than 1-3
But that statement from Perez I bolded on Yamahasho post... RFLOMAO
You are 100% right on this, but unfortunately Red Bull has no idea how or no intention of having both drivers compete at their very best (or better yet, both drivers given the opportunity to perform at their best). They've won the constructors championship 5 times, and the drivers championship 6 times, and not once have had a driver finish 2nd in the drivers championship in any of those years. It's a remarkable feat, really, and one that cannot be simply answered by "their #2 drivers not being good enough".pakoyz250f wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 20:17I don´t think checo did that on purpose. I mean he risked his gear box, Sainz was behind also on a fast lap and crashed hard in to him and for what??? to start on 3rd? A safer place to try that is on the corner schumi did it and we know what happened next. I think it was more of a bad mistake...
For me as a Mexican and a Checo fan I really really hope that Checo gets 2nd place without help of Max and just say "yeah I got this 2 place without help of anybody" mic drop.. walk away and start war on 2023 (wet dream I know RB is all about Max)
Checo was so close on the first half on same conditions so I hope next year he becomes Minister of War. Mercedes is going to be on the fight next year and RB is going to need both drivers at its best.
