2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

How reliable is this site or the author which is mentioning that "Mercedes W14: Possible double-digit horsepower gain, though difficult to compare against rival teams"?

https://www.formu1a.uno/mercedes-w14-si ... d-in-2023/

Now that we know that fuel could not be updated until 2026 and even via reliability reasons it`s hard to conceive that the power increase of some say 10HP could be done only through software/mapping upgrades ...

Maybe this power increase is coming from a new mapping which is now harvesting more energy via MGU-H, or possibly this power boost was coz they were running last year slightly detuned due to porpoising/bouncing inducing effects to ICE both structural integrity and functionality?

This kind of increase can come from mappings.

Remember that Ferrari dropped a lot of power by conservative mappings last season. Mercedes also registered a new crankshaft material late last year to support more power (a claimed reliability upgrade despite no known failures of the component ).

[proteus]

True. It could also be a indicator that they didnt fully understand the design, even so late in the season. A front wing, changes to the floor and rear wing endplates they brought to Austin (https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes- ... ed-austin/) is quite a big set of upgrades to be bringing with 4 races to go. You would have thought that time and money would have been better off developing parts/floor designs for 2023.

Put it this way, the budget cap for 2022 will be watched closely by others given upgrade packages brought etc.

Everything they brought in 2022 is very relevant to 2023. What is even better for them is that they were able to run it on the track. Their main problem was that they got the car wrong at the start, but from the moment they knew they cant compete for championship they shifted all of their focus into rectifying problems of their car and this was an investement for 2023. I do wonder what went so wrong to make them being late though? Have they lost too many capable minds and hands in the last few seasons to other teams? All will be clear in first few races i suppose.

You found out that your concept is wrong and doesn't work. Your car is not fast. You are trying to find out what is wrong but cannot find, at least until the last part of season.
You have 2 teams.
One works for current car, they are in mentioned situation.
Second works for next year's car. So work on what? This is very very bad situation.

You rectify the problem, so you dont have any problems in the next season when you carry over. Thats how i would do it. They managed to turn their car into a winner at the end of the season. The only reason i cant think of why they would have delays is that they decided to make a completely new car alltogether. We will see it in testing.

[f1jcw]

How reliable is this site or the author which is mentioning that "Mercedes W14: Possible double-digit horsepower gain, though difficult to compare against rival teams"?

https://www.formu1a.uno/mercedes-w14-si ... d-in-2023/

Now that we know that fuel could not be updated until 2026 and even via reliability reasons it`s hard to conceive that the power increase of some say 10HP could be done only through software/mapping upgrades ...

Maybe this power increase is coming from a new mapping which is now harvesting more energy via MGU-H, or possibly this power boost was coz they were running last year slightly detuned due to porpoising/bouncing inducing effects to ICE both structural integrity and functionality?

This kind of increase can come from mappings.

Remember that Ferrari dropped a lot of power by conservative mappings last season. Mercedes also registered a new crankshaft material late last year to support more power (a claimed reliability upgrade despite no known failures of the component ).

There is two different ways of dealing with reliability

1. Running it near full power till it goes boom
2. Dialing the power down so it come complete a run without going boom

Are you saying only 1 should be allowed reliability updates.

[saviour stivala]

How much power a formula one engine will be able to gain this season will depend mostly on how much power it had to suppress the season before when the engines where homologated and developments frozen, due to reliability problems.

[AR3-GP]

How reliable is this site or the author which is mentioning that "Mercedes W14: Possible double-digit horsepower gain, though difficult to compare against rival teams"?

https://www.formu1a.uno/mercedes-w14-si ... d-in-2023/

Now that we know that fuel could not be updated until 2026 and even via reliability reasons it`s hard to conceive that the power increase of some say 10HP could be done only through software/mapping upgrades ...

Maybe this power increase is coming from a new mapping which is now harvesting more energy via MGU-H, or possibly this power boost was coz they were running last year slightly detuned due to porpoising/bouncing inducing effects to ICE both structural integrity and functionality?

This kind of increase can come from mappings.

Remember that Ferrari dropped a lot of power by conservative mappings last season. Mercedes also registered a new crankshaft material late last year to support more power (a claimed reliability upgrade despite no known failures of the component ).

There is two different ways of dealing with reliability

1. Running it near full power till it goes boom
2. Dialing the power down so it come complete a run without going boom

Are you saying only 1 should be allowed reliability updates.

No I'm not saying that. I'm just saying anyone can make an argument that they were "dialing down the power" and it could be quite dubious. This is F1 we are talking about.

[ringo]

Are lubricants and cooling systems frozen as well?

[Vaexa]

Are lubricants and cooling systems frozen as well?

Lubricants yes, cooling systems are a lot more complicated and I haven't read the engine homologation regulations that closely in a while. I think most of the cooling auxiliaries (including intercooler) fall outside the freeze.

[ringo]

Okay. Some potential for power gains can be found in cooling systems. Improved heat rejection can allow teams to push the PU more in terms of mapping. More so on the electrical side as well.

[saviour stivala]

This kind of increase can come from mappings.

Remember that Ferrari dropped a lot of power by conservative mappings last season. Mercedes also registered a new crankshaft material late last year to support more power (a claimed reliability upgrade despite no known failures of the component ).

There is two different ways of dealing with reliability

1. Running it near full power till it goes boom
2. Dialing the power down so it come complete a run without going boom

Are you saying only 1 should be allowed reliability updates.

No I'm not saying that. I'm just saying anyone can make an argument that they were "dialing down the power" and it could be quite dubious. This is F1 we are talking about.

Yes correct. 'anyone can make an argument' like the one made before it. Not only that, but it is much easier done because the prove that it was actually 'done' (real time) is behind us now. What exposes all this as just 'wishful thinking speculations is the effort at pushing out different real technical reliability problems of the parts involved, one after the other when the first doesn't make much of a load sound. first it was because of the car jumping like a wild bronco, than it was crankshaft material weaknesses, after that it was gains by less friction, and the last one up to now was a change of the already homologated fuel formulation with software improvements thrown in for good measure.

[Holm86]

Aren't they the only team having their reserve driver at the launch?
Just confirms Mick is only a PR stunt, they didn't get him because of his driving skills

[DGP123]

Danny Ric was at RB’s

Gone back to black, looks sexy. Great looking car.

[chrisc90]

“Eventually be competitive enough”

[f1rules]

honestly one of the prettiest cars ive ever seen, wow

[ali623]

Aren't they the only team having their reserve driver at the launch?
Just confirms Mick is only a PR stunt, they didn't get him because of his driving skills

Red Bull, Ferrari and Aston Martin did

[Henri]

honestly one of the prettiest cars ive ever seen, wow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo_oiTEX0AA ... =4096x4096

Gorgeous spectacular