Just_a_fan wrote: β19 Jun 2023, 21:50
Ask Webber how that went for him, even when he was beating Seb on merit.
lol, this has been debated to death but yeah, webber nuked himself by throwing the team under the bus, crashing out of races when it mattered most (korea) and then just being slow, exactly the same as perez was doing at times last year and also in australia this year with the fictional brake problem that didn't exist. another example is jerk barichelo going to town on his team brawn as a complete and total idiot when he didn't win in germany, crying to media like a kid - carbon copy of webber, perez... this is what 2nd rate drivers do, nothing to do "how it went for them" when they were supposedly beating their teammates on merit (they weren't, only in their minds).
Funny enough, Perez can't talk trash about RB anymore as he said numerous times in early races how 2023 RB is very nice to drive and he finally likes the car.
Anyway, I looked at full alonso's onboard and it's very possible without the lift & coast he'd right up there with verstappen. He was doing it from like lap ~25 and it really did cost him quite some time, also with his driving, as he was very much more error prone in a few corners before and after (saying error, but actually just sub-optimal). Apart from T9 excursion, T10 was particularly not optimal from there on after. While chasing Hamilton without LC he was hitting the apex more or less every time even in dirty air. After he overtook him and started LC it was a rarity to see him do an optimal apex. T13 was also causing some troubles. Add to that extra time lost with the coast and you can see how gaps in pace can quickly emerge.
I'm also of the opinion Verstappen wasn't holding all that much back (checked him out as well). Certainly nothing on the hard tyre, and if anything on medium in last stint it was very very little.