2023 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 28 - 30

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Here’s a question: at what point should
Russell abort his lap then? He locked a wheel but ran slightly wide at turn 1.
Should he abandon a whole lap on a rapidly improving track by running slightly wide a few metres into the start of his lap?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Russell screwed Hamilton and had no pace. Pole was absolutely on for Ham without Russell getting in the way

Same for Leclerc really. Pole was wide open without the mistake

I wonder if any impeding penalties will arise from Perez's slalom
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Zxeros wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:42
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:32
DGP123 wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:28


Yeah, Russell seemed to bunch everyone up, then locked up at T1 and Ham was directly behind. Russell’s been a hinderance this weekend
Just saw the onboard.
Russell locked up in T1, but kept Hamilton behind him through the Eau Rouge. When Hamilton wanted to overtake him into Kemmel straight Russell blocked him...

EDIT :
Apparently he overtook Lewis on the final corner to start the lap, what are the engineers doing and how did they even allow it to happen in the first place?
We live in a world where fugazi one time winner has more right than the guy who the team is supposedly built around...
If I was Lewis it will not encourage me to sign a new contract.

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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:43
Here’s a question: at what point should
Russell abort his lap then? He locked a wheel but ran slightly wide at turn 1.
Should he abandon a whole lap on a rapidly improving track by running slightly wide a few metres into the start of his lap?
Yes.
He lost even more time by trying to block his teamate on the way to Eau Rouge.
He was nowhere on pace today, he wouldn't improve that much his starting position.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:44
Zxeros wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:42
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:32


Just saw the onboard.
Russell locked up in T1, but kept Hamilton behind him through the Eau Rouge. When Hamilton wanted to overtake him into Kemmel straight Russell blocked him...

EDIT :
Apparently he overtook Lewis on the final corner to start the lap, what are the engineers doing and how did they even allow it to happen in the first place?
We live in a world where fugazi one time winner has more right than the guy who the team is supposedly built around...
If I was Lewis it will not encourage me to sign a new contract.
Not sure what George being a bit of dick there has to do with the team. Do you think they told him to overtake or block Lewis.
I’m sure he’ll be questioned back at base.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:41
Cs98 wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:37
Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:32


Just saw the onboard.
Russell locked up in T1, but kept Hamilton behind him through the Eau Rouge. When Hamilton wanted to overtake him into Kemmel straight Russell blocked him...

EDIT :
This isn't impeding though. Russell is still on a lap despite his T1 mistake. Hamilton can overtake but Russell has no obligation to move out of the way. Impeding is when someone who is not on a fast lap gets in the way of someone who is on a fast lap. This is just poor spacing and a T1 mistake.
Russell slowed Lewis done all the way to Eau Rouge, and lost even more time by trying to block him into Kemmel straight.
He had no pace today, shouldn't block his teamate who could put the car on pole today.
I doubt he tried to "block him". It's qualifying and he's on a fast lap. There's no reason for him to check his mirrors and I suspect (I haven't checked granted) his engineer didn't say anything until Russell aborted down the kemmel straight.

Sounds to me like the team isn't talking to each other. Marcus Dudley (Russell's race eng) seems to be a bit fast and loose with quali strategy however.

Point is, the track was rapidly improving so it's likely Russell would have improved anyway. He's entitled to continue regarding of what a bunch of screaming Twitter users say.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:41
Russell slowed Lewis done all the way to Eau Rouge, and lost even more time by trying to block him into Kemmel straight.
He had no pace today, shouldn't block his teamate who could put the car on pole today.
He had track position and was on a push lap. There is no obligation to move out of the way. What you think he "should do" doesn't really matter.

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I suspect hamilton will still be in P2 in sprint ahead of ferraris. Mclaren for all their speed in S2 are just way too slow on straights and will be eaten up in no time, quite incredible with the same engine as mercedes.
I'm convinced if he started in P2 or P1 he'd be leading lap 1, almost guaranteed.

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Ofc. The whole busstop queue was the root cause of all the problems everyone had.

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chrisc90 wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:43
Here’s a question: at what point should
Russell abort his lap then? He locked a wheel but ran slightly wide at turn 1.
Should he abandon a whole lap on a rapidly improving track by running slightly wide a few metres into the start of his lap?
No, of course not. This is a silly discussion. Drivers look out for their own interests and Russell could've certainly improved a lot despite that mistake under those track conditions.

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Juzh wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:50
I suspect hamilton will still be in P2 in sprint ahead of ferraris. Mclaren for all their speed in S2 are just way too slow on straights and will be eaten up in no time, quite incredible with the same engine as mercedes.
I'm convinced if he started in P2 or P1 he'd be leading lap 1, almost guaranteed.
Good chance,with the low wing you will be fast up the kemmel straight and then you can slipstream to an overtake.

But Perez could have been there as well without the busstop, well, stop.

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Spoutnik wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:44
We live in a world where fugazi one time winner has more right than the guy who the team is supposedly built around...
If I was Lewis it will not encourage me to sign a new contract.
That win still hurts that badly huh? :lol:

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Top speeds anyone?

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avantman wrote:
29 Jul 2023, 13:57
Top speeds anyone?

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Thanks, and Lewis?