2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

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A pretty useless graphic because it doesn't tell you who had a tow and who didn't. The tow can easily be worth 5+kph on this track if you are close behind someone, and Merc avoided the tow basically the whole session. It's much more valuable to look at like for like runs and compare. Take for example Lec v Ver v Rus, final run in Q3. No tows, peak power. And when you do that you will see that Merc is not especially draggy, at least relative to the RB.

And keep in mind Merc are also using a relatively inefficient cutout wing, as opposed to the likes of Ferrari.

Fair enough

Im not suggesting that it'll be like McL at Spa or anything close. Just that the drag issue is not completely eliminated yet. I think that will come next season when they can change chassis and abandon zeropod architecture

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After Q1 we could see that RB set the car towards the race, particularly on the H tyre which would be the main race tyre, bearing in mind it`ll be a 1-stop (M-H for the first 2 or 3 rows or S-H for the likes of ALO) race. That`s why RB went for a barn door rear-wing for better tyre management on the H tyre mainly ...

Another thing to mention is the fact that VER, PER, SAI, LEC and HAM spared 1 set of new H tyres for the race ... and that ALB lap sounds promising but not backed up by the FP2 race sim laps, unfortunately ...



This time on the M tyres SAI and LEC had better times that were almost the same as the VER did. So it seems that this tyre would be fitted at the start of the race for these drivers, at least ...



Almost the same story after Q3. What stands out was RUS time who could start the race on the S tyre. He opted for a higher DF setup than HAM and didn`t suffer from overheating tyres in the S3 as the latter did ... so HAM always looking at the long game, after all ...

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I think the higher DF will be better for the race with the high track temps, so russell's setup might just be better overall

we'll see though. the tyres have not degraded as much since silverstone

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A pretty useless graphic because it doesn't tell you who had a tow and who didn't. The tow can easily be worth 5+kph on this track if you are close behind someone, and Merc avoided the tow basically the whole session. It's much more valuable to look at like for like runs and compare. Take for example Lec v Ver v Rus, final run in Q3. No tows, peak power. And when you do that you will see that Merc is not especially draggy, at least relative to the RB.

It's two sides of the same coin though. RB might be on the draggier side, but they are making it with extra load b eing carried for the corners. Mercedes is not so it reflects the general inefficiency of the Mercedes: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/the- ... /10515421/

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After Q1 we could see that RB set the car towards the race, particularly on the H tyre which would be the main race tyre, bearing in mind it`ll be a 1-stop (M-H for the first 2 or 3 rows or S-H for the likes of ALO) race. That`s why RB went for a barn door rear-wing for better tyre management on the H tyre mainly ...

Another thing to mention is the fact that VER, PER, SAI, LEC and HAM spared 1 set of new H tyres for the race ... and that ALB lap sounds promising but not backed up by the FP2 race sim laps, unfortunately ...

According to Pirelli, Hamilton does not have a new set of H tires (It could be an error with Pirelli graphic however).



I agree on your point about the higher downforce being really good for the hard tire because the hard tire promotes more slippage which you need to control or you overheat the tire.

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According to Pirelli, Hamilton does not have a new set of H tires (It could be an error with Pirelli graphic however).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5GQz46WsAA ... me=360x360

I think Ham/Russell might've used an extra set in Q1 to get through? They weren't safe on their first set

[Sieper]

Yeah, one extra hotlap on them. Mercedes struggles for grip so on the harder tire it was harder for them to getnthrough. Same was a bit the case for Ferrari. The softer the compound in qualy the better it was as their low wing gave little grip, so if the tires compensate it is better for them.

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According to Pirelli, Hamilton does not have a new set of H tires (It could be an error with Pirelli graphic however).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5GQz46WsAA ... me=360x360

I think Ham/Russell might've used an extra set in Q1 to get through? They weren't safe on their first set

Mercedes did three runs in Q1, yeah, 3 laps on one set, 2x3 on the other. So no new hards left

[DGP123]

Tsunoda out

Really is embarrassing, with all the technology and recovery vehicles around, how long it takes to move one car. Tracks just aren’t equipped or fit for purpose.

[Mogster]

Stuck in gear.

[Holm86]

Insane how big a joke F1 race control is

[Michelangelo]

Awkward moments.

[rafac]

This is seriously embarrassing.

[Juzh]

Every single time something inevitably comes up. I don't even remember when was the last normal race from start to finish.

[Wouter]

Scuderia AlphaTauri@AlphaTauriF1

this wasn't the #ItalianGP start we were hoping for Yuki DNF