2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

[PlatinumZealot]

Entrance to Roggia narrows like a funnel that’s why these incidents occur.

The outside is a straight line…. Which is what PIA was braking along. It cannot be him at fault at all. If he had moved left in the braking zone then I’d agree with you and it would have been a bit foolish but he didn’t. That was a bone headed move that actually paid off incredibly

Piastri was defending nothing. There was no way he would have made the chicane. Hamilton was ahead going into a chicane. Piastri will learn from this.

[ringo]

Entrance to Roggia narrows like a funnel that’s why these incidents occur. The car on the outside is always drifting left slightly.

Th8s happened between lewis and leclerc in 2019 and there was no penalty.
But i guess it was less clear back then.
Hamilton does have a habbit of eeking the other driver to the outside before he turns so their exit is compromised. He should maybe not do that and just accept that if you enter tight, expect the other guy to exit right behind you.
A few examples he has this habbit and not all guys he races will budge. Piastri did not budge today.

[renault rs26]

As much as I rate him highly Oscar was foolish there with Lewis. He should have yielded! Being on the outside of turn 6 will only end in tears!

Hamilton did Grosjean Canada 2015 move when lapping Manor.

[wickedz50]

New recrod. Ten wins in succession.
It might be 18 wins at the end of the season.

Absolutely! a record that only can be beaten by the man himself or the team themselves.
RBR is making history today, this is awesome!

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Perez dotd for me

[Michelangelo]

It is weird that causing a collision that obliged another driver to pit which dropped him places back is penalised completely the same way as leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

[DChemTech]

Charles did the same to Lewis 2019 but Lewis went in the gras, avoiding it, no penalty. Sainz did the same two times this race, no penalty because the Red Bulls avoided. Piastri didn’t yield, penalty. Make of that what you will. Position was gone, yielding would’ve been the sensible choice. Guess he was still pissed McLaren undercut him with Lando. Not to mention he ran of Lewis one lap earlier…

Being sensible and being in the right are different things. Sure, Piastri would have been better off yielding, but he was still in the right not doing so. Blaming Piastri is classic victim blaming. This was Lewis' fault, and he was very meagerly punished for it.

[dialtone]

Charles did the same to Lewis 2019 but Lewis went in the gras, avoiding it, no penalty. Sainz did the same two times this race, no penalty because the Red Bulls avoided. Piastri didn’t yield, penalty. Make of that what you will. Position was gone, yielding would’ve been the sensible choice. Guess he was still pissed McLaren undercut him with Lando. Not to mention he ran of Lewis one lap earlier…

People keep saying this but it's not true at all... It's a completely different setting and Piastri had half a car next to Hamilton rather than barely a front wing.

2019 Hamilton vs Leclerc is more similar to Leclerc vs Perez this race, Piastri had nowhere to go here. I like Ham but this was unnecessary, he was passing on the inside and Piastri already gave up, why should he expect to be closed out?

[PlatinumZealot]

It is weird that causing a collision that obliged another driver to pit which dropped him places back is penalised completely the same way as leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

It's was pretty much a racing incident. Wasn't foolish or malicious. Remember Leclerc did this in the same corner and went unpenalized a few years ago.

[fourmula1]

At least Ferrari gave us a show.

The entrance to that chicane is a little odd. I wonder if the track narrows slightly. We’ve seen a couple drivers misjudge that over the years. I also do think Hamilton really drives to expectations/assumptions of what other drivers will do and that creates this type of mistake.

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It is weird that causing a collision that obliged another driver to pit which dropped him places back is penalised completely the same way as leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

It's was pretty much a racing incident. Wasn't foolish or malicious. Remember Leclerc did this in the same corner and went unpenalized a few years ago.

Hamilton was not alongside when Leclerc did it to him - he was behind so Leclerc's chop did not go directly into his car. Leclerc was also the defending driver in 2019 whereas Hamilton did it into the chicane whilst not ahead, and when trying to overtake.. it's not the same situation

[denyall]

Piastri went super late on the brakes the lap prior running off track and hitting Lewis in the process. Track positions reversed.

Have a feeling that had Piastri wing not been damaged then it wouldn't have been a penalty.

Anyway, great drive to overcome the penalty and hang on to 6th. All around poor weekend for Lewis

[Juzh]

TBH I wasn't expecting RBs to be able to make a move on track on ferraris and without tyre troubles they probably wouldn't be able to as we've seen for many laps, but as it is ferrari again burns up rubber faster than usual and opens up opportunities for other cars. RBs needed to be 0,25s behind out of parabolica to have a chance.

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TBH I wasn't expecting RBs to be able to make a move on track on ferraris and without tyre troubles they probably wouldn't be able to as we've seen for many laps, but as it is ferrari again burns up rubber faster than usual and opens up opportunities for other cars. RBs needed to be 0,25s behind out of parabolica to have a chance.

Max also took no chances at Parabolica. He was extremely conservative on throttle there

[ringo]

As much as I rate him highly Oscar was foolish there with Lewis. He should have yielded! Being on the outside of turn 6 will only end in tears!

Yielded what? He was alongside all the way, there was nothing to yield. Hamilton closed the door and got extremely lucky he didn't cause a monumental crash in the process. He did the same with Alonso in spa last year and he also has completely identical incident with kobayashi in spa 2011. Dude think he owns the road as soon as he's 10 cm (or behind in his case). Farcical to blame piastri for this, but expected from you.

Just like his fellow champion Max.
It's funny how depending on the driver, some penalties are too much or too little.
No penalties for this incident:
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And most here agreed.

5s penalty for hamilton was correct. Piastri could have played it safe and backed out but he chose to hold his ground. And holding ground there does not help him in any situation. Unneccesary risk on his part. 5 seconds was correct.