2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

[chrisc90]

Great race. As expected Ferrari couldn't hold onto the tyres. Far too light these penalties for causing a crash and ruining someone else's race. Should be a drive through minimum.

Quite shocked the Ferrari couldn't pass the RB with DRS.

Those ferrari drivers some contact didn't end both their races.


(Mod Edit - not needed).

[dialtone]

TBH I wasn't expecting RBs to be able to make a move on track on ferraris and without tyre troubles they probably wouldn't be able to as we've seen for many laps, but as it is ferrari again burns up rubber faster than usual and opens up opportunities for other cars. RBs needed to be 0,25s behind out of parabolica to have a chance.

Ferrari didn't burn tires any faster than any other car but RBR, Leclerc was plenty fast. The only other car that fought a battle was Russell's Merc and he was the first to pit and forced everyone to pit.

RBR is just a spaceship.

[Juzh]

TBH I wasn't expecting RBs to be able to make a move on track on ferraris and without tyre troubles they probably wouldn't be able to as we've seen for many laps, but as it is ferrari again burns up rubber faster than usual and opens up opportunities for other cars. RBs needed to be 0,25s behind out of parabolica to have a chance.

Max also took no chances at Parabolica. He was extremely conservative on throttle there

Looking after tyres all the time. Perez was visibly throwing the car into the corner later on.

[napoleon1981]

New recrod. Ten wins in succession.
It might be 18 wins at the end of the season.

Absolutely! a record that only can be beaten by the man himself or the team themselves.
RBR is making history today, this is awesome!

Many great dominant cars have been produced. None have been driven like Max has.

[ringo]

Charles did the same to Lewis 2019 but Lewis went in the gras, avoiding it, no penalty. Sainz did the same two times this race, no penalty because the Red Bulls avoided. Piastri didn’t yield, penalty. Make of that what you will. Position was gone, yielding would’ve been the sensible choice. Guess he was still pissed McLaren undercut him with Lando. Not to mention he ran of Lewis one lap earlier…

People keep saying this but it's not true at all... It's a completely different setting and Piastri had half a car next to Hamilton rather than barely a front wing.

2019 Hamilton vs Leclerc is more similar to Leclerc vs Perez this race, Piastri had nowhere to go here. I like Ham but this was unnecessary, he was passing on the inside and Piastri already gave up, why should he expect to be closed out?

I posted the video. Piastri had enough room to do exactly what Lewis did. And he was not fully alongside as Hamilton.
If piastri had dodged, the same result as charles and lewis maybe. But there was a collision so of course 5 seconds. Thats the rules and fair. Piastri is responsible for his own risk management.
You cannot ask for a harsher penalty for hamilton just because of how piastri managed his risk.
Its 5 seconds for causing a collision and thats the rule.

[PlatinumZealot]

It is weird that causing a collision that obliged another driver to pit which dropped him places back is penalised completely the same way as leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

It's was pretty much a racing incident. Wasn't foolish or malicious. Remember Leclerc did this in the same corner and went unpenalized a few years ago.

Hamilton was not alongside when Leclerc did it to him - he was behind so Leclerc's chop did not go directly into his car. Leclerc was also the defending driver in 2019 whereas Hamilton did it into the chicane whilst not ahead, and when trying to overtake.. it's not the same situation

I consider you one of the good posters, but you are twisiting the truth here. Hah. Pleas rewatch that incident. It's basically identical. I would say Leclerc gave LESS space than Lewis.

[Juzh]

TBH I wasn't expecting RBs to be able to make a move on track on ferraris and without tyre troubles they probably wouldn't be able to as we've seen for many laps, but as it is ferrari again burns up rubber faster than usual and opens up opportunities for other cars. RBs needed to be 0,25s behind out of parabolica to have a chance.

Ferrari didn't burn tires any faster than any other car but RBR, Leclerc was plenty fast. The only other car that fought a battle was Russell's Merc and he was the first to pit and forced everyone to pit.

RBR is just a spaceship.

Maybe, I wasn't looking at other cars as closely, they dropped 1s in deg vs their own laps, RB maybe 0,5s.

[organic]

It's was pretty much a racing incident. Wasn't foolish or malicious. Remember Leclerc did this in the same corner and went unpenalized a few years ago.

Hamilton was not alongside when Leclerc did it to him - he was behind so Leclerc's chop did not go directly into his car. Leclerc was also the defending driver in 2019 whereas Hamilton did it into the chicane whilst not ahead, and when trying to overtake.. it's not the same situation

I consider you one of the good posters, but you are twisiting the truth here. Hah. Pleas rewatch that incident. It's basically identical. I would say Leclerc gave LESS space than Lewis.

OK I may be mistaken. I'll go rewatch it

[DGP123]

Drive through pens are a thing of the past. It’s essentially the death penalty for a driver, and kills his race, and ruins the show. You want drivers attacking each other, not living in fear of hitting someone and basically destroying your whole race with a drive through. 5s was correct.

[ringo]

New recrod. Ten wins in succession.
It might be 18 wins at the end of the season.

Absolutely! a record that only can be beaten by the man himself or the team themselves.
RBR is making history today, this is awesome!

Many great dominant cars have been produced. None have been driven like Max has.

Oh how does max drive. Do tell. Would like to hear how uniquely he cruises to a win.

[LionKing]

I agree. Hamilton had cars that had 0.7 sec advantage over the competition. Max have been doing a lot more with much less margin. He is in a different league.-

[DGP123]

He is in a different league.-

Until he’s put alongside a good teammate. Unfortunately, the fans haven’t seen that yet

[Just_a_fan]

It is weird that causing a collision that obliged another driver to pit which dropped him places back is penalised completely the same way as leaving the track and gaining an advantage.

Because penalties are applied according to the rule broken and not according to the outcome. At least, they usually are.

[dialtone]

I agree. Hamilton had cars that had 0.7 sec advantage over the competition. Max have been doing a lot more with much less margin. He is in a different league.-

Less margin? We're half through the season and on the least favorable track they have in the whole year they are still 0.4s/lap faster than 2nd best.

No car has ever been this strong.

[LionKing]

You are forgetting about the Mercedes after the regulations changes in 2014. Mercedes had a lot more margin over the competition