2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[marcel171281]

Max winning despite a redbull double DNF.

Another record than.

[ME4ME]

Horner has been supportive of Checo so far but you've got to wonder what is stopping them from replacing him for 2024. Surely it's not loyalty - we're beyond that at this point, Perez performance is not up to expectations. He should be thankfull to Red Bull to have saved his career anyway because he was on his way out when they signed him.

It's probably money despite Red Bull being such a large company.
- Perez will need to be paid off.
- Red Bull Racing will likely lose several major sponsors.
- Red Bull will likely take a hit in sales in Mexico.
- Red Bull is already spending a lot of money on Red Bull Powertrains at the moment.
- Large investment in a new wind tunnel is ongoing
- Ongoing investment in Alpha Tauri with new top personell and improved operations.

But regardless I think they'll have another meeting on this topic after getting home from Japan.
- They have secured first in the WCC and major price money.
- They have likely saved money that they couldn't spend in operating the wind tunnel this year.
- They can put Daniel in the Red Bull seat and solve the Lawson situation.
- Perez is broken. It can't really get worse.
- Major Ford money is incoming.
- Other sponsors are probably lining up to replace any Mexican sponsor that terminates.

[chrisc90]

What sponsorship does Checo bring in?

Paying Checo off is probably cheaper than him wrecking cars week in and week out - or exposing the teams floor to others in Monaco.


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Another $250k this weekend in 2 front wings and however much the steering cost will knock him up to 2nd place in the damage charts. Knocking on costing the team $2.5million (estimated) in repairs alone.

[Edax]

A grid penalty for what? I ask because so many things happened involving him this race that I'm not sure which incident it is.

If that's the case then he definitely should still get the grid penalty. They took the steering wheel off and he got out the car. Getting back in and putting the steering wheel on while inside your put garage seems pretty much a slam dunk retirement to me

I think the final 5s penalty was for impeding Norris

Ah.

Considering what Norris got an unsportsmanlike penalty for this season then this must be worse.

Whether he is considered "retired" or not he could at the very least get grid penalties for that.

Actually I think not being able to sneak off the circuit to the airport, but having to sit in camera view watching his teammate win the constructors championship, is a pretty good punishment.

Doing an additional lap of shame only adds to that.

Think redbull would have done better to accept a grid drop next race to avoid this exposure during their constructors championship race. In anyway Perez is costing them now too much. He is not adding to the points, he is adding to the costs but also costing them goodwill with his behavior.

[djos]

Wow, what a Charlie Foxtrot from Checo, mistake after mistake combined with very clumsy driving - Horner needs to fire Checo's ass and put a Daniel back into the second car!

[basti313]

Horner has been supportive of Checo so far but you've got to wonder what is stopping them from replacing him for 2024. Surely it's not loyalty - we're beyond that at this point, Perez performance is not up to expectations. He should be thankfull to Red Bull to have saved his career anyway because he was on his way out when they signed him.

It's probably money despite Red Bull being such a large company.
- Perez will need to be paid off.
- Red Bull Racing will likely lose several major sponsors.
- Red Bull will likely take a hit in sales in Mexico.
- Red Bull is already spending a lot of money on Red Bull Powertrains at the moment.
- Large investment in a new wind tunnel is ongoing
- Ongoing investment in Alpha Tauri with new top personell and improved operations.

But regardless I think they'll have another meeting on this topic after getting home from Japan.
- They have secured first in the WCC and major price money.
- They have likely saved money that they couldn't spend in operating the wind tunnel this year.
- They can put Daniel in the Red Bull seat and solve the Lawson situation.
- Perez is broken. It can't really get worse.
- Major Ford money is incoming.
- Other sponsors are probably lining up to replace any Mexican sponsor that terminates.

Although I do not think they have a money problem, I agree on some of this.
My bet is:
- They try to secure and celebrate 2nd place in WDC with him. No matter what it costs (but Ver will not let him pass).
- They start the season together and replace him after 5 races. Like this all sponsors have paid.
- They make an agreement on giving him the seat for the grace period. He can therefore take his personal sponsors and accepts the test driver salary.

[AR3-GP]

RB must have saved a ton on the budget:

Which Checo might have used with his crashes.

[AR3-GP]

Surely checo must have some performance clause in his contract they can use.
He literally is in the fastest car and wants to make rush overtakes. Half a lap or a lap isn’t going to make a huge difference to the overall race on lap 2-5 or whatever his rampage went on.

THe damage he has done to the team by consistently revealing their floor designs alone would make it grounds to fire him, imo. The piss poor performance he's been having would just be the final nail in the coffin.

It's been laughable, absolutely laughable, I think even a Bottas would be providing more to the team.

In addition to the $200,000 today, he's easily saved 9 other teams at least 10 million in development budget by displaying the RB floor in both seasons. Look at the Mclaren. They have the same floor now and way more wind tunnel hours currently. It's no longer defensible.

[Rikhart]

Surely checo must have some performance clause in his contract they can use.
He literally is in the fastest car and wants to make rush overtakes. Half a lap or a lap isn’t going to make a huge difference to the overall race on lap 2-5 or whatever his rampage went on.

THe damage he has done to the team by consistently revealing their floor designs alone would make it grounds to fire him, imo. The piss poor performance he's been having would just be the final nail in the coffin.

It's been laughable, absolutely laughable, I think even a Bottas would be providing more to the team.

In addition to the $200,000 today, he's easily saved 9 other teams at least 10 million in development budget by displaying the RB floor in both seasons. Look at the Mclaren. They have the same floor now and way more wind tunnel hours currently. It's no longer defensible.

Yes exactly this, he has been an absolute disaster, I believe they would have benefited from running a single car this season.

[AR3-GP]

In regards to total race deficit you can't really take it at face value. Verstappen was cruising for entire last stint, lifting trough 130r for no reason, coasting into braking zones, leaving meters of track on exits, etc... Even his fastest lap wasn't done on any special engine mode, he just pushed a little harder, but still not really going all out.

A truly frightening performance today, so much in reserve. I suspect they could have lapped everyone if they wanted to.

[Sieper]

Still, you can see last weekend how slim margins can be. We are just lucky to experience a Max approaching his prime.

[chrisc90]

It would be great to know what went wrong with the Singapore car. But as Max has said from when he was 2nd in Baku, they learn a LOT and they move forwards as a team.

If they can work out why the car wasn't working as it should in the cases where Max has a 'off weekend' then i'm all for that knowing the team and car is going to be stronger in future developments. When you constantly win and whitewash the competition - sometimes you can get a little 'complacent' (used loosely as RB are a team at the very very top of the tree) and it allows others to catch up as you dont know where the weaknesses are to develop.

Dont get me wrong though.....a full team clean sweep of the season would be absolutely epic, but 'we can give them that one'.

6 races without winning in 38 races over 2 seasons is brilliant. You could say its less given the early 2022 fuel system issues with spec parts that the team were on for winning.

[Big Tea]

With RBR Honda co-incidentally winning the championship at the home of their powerunit supplier.. for a second I wondered if this was the real "problem" last week. Just a matter of timing?

[AR3-GP]

With RBR Honda co-incidentally winning the championship at the home of their powerunit supplier.. for a second I wondered if this was the real "problem" last week. Just a matter of timing?

The cynical take

[Big Tea]

With RBR Honda co-incidentally winning the championship at the home of their powerunit supplier.. for a second I wondered if this was the real "problem" last week. Just a matter of timing?

The cynical take

Always, I may be right one time tho