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[Stu]

Albon's average qualifying position in 2020 was 7.18

Perez's average qualifying position in 2023 is 8.94

I always felt that Albon received poor treatment in being dropped.

[Just_a_fan]

In 2021, Checo only took 5 podiums where Bottas had 11 (Max 18, Lewis 17). In 2020, Checo had 2 podiums when Max had 10, Bottas had 11 and Lewis 14. So is Checo perhaps showing his true (not very good) colours? Have is decent performances actually been stand-out performances from him rather than "typical"? It increasingly looks that way.

Pretty decent in a Racing Point I'd say?

Even Stroll got 2 podiums in the Racing Point. It was the "Merc-lite", don't forget.

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Albon's average qualifying position in 2020 was 7.18

Perez's average qualifying position in 2023 is 8.94

I always felt that Albon received poor treatment in being dropped.

He, like Perez ATM, was broken

The year out helped him a lot, by Albon's own statements. Not sure this second resurgence would've happened otherwise?

[Cs98]

In 2021, Checo only took 5 podiums where Bottas had 11 (Max 18, Lewis 17). In 2020, Checo had 2 podiums when Max had 10, Bottas had 11 and Lewis 14. So is Checo perhaps showing his true (not very good) colours? Have is decent performances actually been stand-out performances from him rather than "typical"? It increasingly looks that way.

Pretty decent in a Racing Point I'd say?

Even Stroll got 2 podiums in the Racing Point. It was the "Merc-lite", don't forget.

But only scored 60% of Perez's points despite Perez sitting out a couple of races with Covid. Perez beat Stroll emphatically in both seasons. And before that beat Ocon twice, and Hulk twice. Perez had one of the best midfield records on the grid before he joined RB. 6 straight seasons of beating his teammate, two of whom I'd classify as very decent drivers, one not so much (but he beat him by a lot).

[Just_a_fan]

Pretty decent in a Racing Point I'd say?

Even Stroll got 2 podiums in the Racing Point. It was the "Merc-lite", don't forget.

But only scored 60% of Perez's points despite Perez sitting out a couple of races with Covid. Perez beat Stroll emphatically in both seasons. And before that beat Ocon twice, and Hulk twice. Perez had one of the best midfield records on the grid before he joined RB. 6 straight seasons of beating his teammate, two of whom I'd classify as very decent drivers, one not so much (but he beat him by a lot).

He spent much of 2017 trying to take out Ocon. Every time Ocon was close, Perez hit him. Hulk has flattered to deceive over the years. Quick on his day but never seems to be able to be consistent. Never achieved a podium in F1 which is amazing given he is held in such regard by some. All three are journeymen, basically. Perez is certainly nowhere near Max's level and is a waste of that car. If it wasn't for Max and the RB19 being so good, Red Bull would be looking over their shoulders this season. If anyone gets close next year, Perez will be a liability for the team's title chances.

[Sieper]

Even Stroll got 2 podiums in the Racing Point. It was the "Merc-lite", don't forget.

But only scored 60% of Perez's points despite Perez sitting out a couple of races with Covid. Perez beat Stroll emphatically in both seasons. And before that beat Ocon twice, and Hulk twice. Perez had one of the best midfield records on the grid before he joined RB. 6 straight seasons of beating his teammate, two of whom I'd classify as very decent drivers, one not so much (but he beat him by a lot).

He spent much of 2017 trying to take out Ocon. Every time Ocon was close, Perez hit him. Hulk has flattered to deceive over the years. Quick on his day but never seems to be able to be consistent. Never achieved a podium in F1 which is amazing given he is held in such regard by some. All three are journeymen, basically. Perez is certainly nowhere near Max's level and is a waste of that car. If it wasn't for Max and the RB19 being so good, Red Bull would be looking over their shoulders this season. If anyone gets close next year, Perez will be a liability for the team's title chances.

True, and not true, do you really blame that purely on Perez? I agree that Perez can be overly aggressive in duels, sometimes even a bit clumsy, but in those duels with Ocon, it was also Ocon who was to me equally as aggressive. He has had clashes like that with Gasly too now and others, that I don’t have top of mind. Ocon is very aware of the politics of F1 and fights some of the battles with that in mind. Not saying that is bad, but I do feel that way.

I guess it is for the most part a good thing of both of them, that they are willing to fight like that, it is something to keep in mind for any team hiring one of them.

With Max it luckily has not come to that as the performance differentiator made it unlikely to end in such situations.

What, and this is just another point, not a reply to you, I do find strange is that begin of year Perez is going to take it to Max according to some end of year, he HAS to go according to many. Both are not really true imho.

But it is a fact he has really struggled this year. Especially his clumsy touches have really cost him (and the people he hit).

[Just_a_fan]

But it is a fact he has really struggled this year. Especially his clumsy touches have really cost him (and the people he hit).

I think he's been trying too hard and putting himself under stress. He started well with 2 wins and 2 seconds in the first 5 races and then Monaco happened. And after that he's seemed to be on the back foot with far too many errors. That might just be because he had been at his maximum level early in the season and trying to extract more to recover just pushed him over the edge.

We know he's slower than Max, most people are, but he needs to get his head back in the right place for the rest of the season or he's at risk of being dumped. If, for example, Hamilton takes 2nd in the WDC (unlikely, perhaps, but mathematically very possible) then Perez is going to struggle to argue for his seat. If Perez secures P2 in the WDC then the team will probably not mind (assuming they know the RB20 is looking likely to be as good as the RB19 is relative to the rest).

[Sieper]

That is for me a big point, if RBR feel the RB20 will be good they will feel under less pressure to replace him. Not getting second last year was defendable, but this year the car is more dominant. He could very well still loose it to Lewis. Which would be both very good by Lewis and not a good look for Sergio.

To me Monaco was the confirmation of what happened in Miami. Checo came out of the qualy really believing he could challenge for WDC and then the race came and Max was just so quick, even on the old whites he was still faster than Sergio on his new ones.

[djos]

That is for me a big point, if RBR feel the RB20 will be good they will feel under less pressure to replace him. Not getting second last year was defendable, but this year the car is more dominant. He could very well still loose it to Lewis. Which would be both very good by Lewis and not a good look for Sergio.

To me Monaco was the confirmation of what happened in Miami. Checo came out of the qualy really believing he could challenge for WDC and then the race came and Max was just so quick, even on the old whites he was still faster than Sergio on his new ones.

Sergio has always had an overinflated opinion of his own speed - frankly, I don't think he can handle the mental trauma.

[taperoo2k]

That is for me a big point, if RBR feel the RB20 will be good they will feel under less pressure to replace him. Not getting second last year was defendable, but this year the car is more dominant. He could very well still loose it to Lewis. Which would be both very good by Lewis and not a good look for Sergio.

If another team catches Red Bull in 2024, then Perez will probably be shunted into the AT and replaced by Daniel (if he's performing to Horner and co's expectations). Perez will have to race out of his skin to keep the seat in 2024 let alone get a contract extension.

It won't be a good look for Red Bull if they don't have a 1-2 finish in the drivers championship. Perez beaten by Lewis in what is still a poor Mercedes will be embarrassing. The RB19 only appears to be the best car on the grid in Max's hands. Perez has on occasion made the RB19 look average to only a bit faster than the rest.

To me Monaco was the confirmation of what happened in Miami. Checo came out of the qualy really believing he could challenge for WDC and then the race came and Max was just so quick, even on the old whites he was still faster than Sergio on his new ones.

Perez was pretty much destroyed by Max in Monaco. Perez lacks the speed that Max, Lewis and Alonso are able to extract from a car aka they can take it closer to the edge.

[Stu]

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Perez was pretty much destroyed by Max in Monaco. Perez lacks the speed that Max, Lewis and Alonso are able to extract from a car aka they can take it closer to the edge.

I’ve said it before but it does bear repeating…
On an average day, the greats are still good whereas the good are merely average.
Not only are they “able to extract from a car aka they can take it closer to the edge”, but they can perform at that level consistently.
What you are seeing is the difference between the top performing 0.1% & those that are at 99.5%. Even an average/poor F1 driver is at approximately 99%.
It works exactly the same with teams and cars. When the stars are aligned…

[basti313]

To me Monaco was the confirmation of what happened in Miami. Checo came out of the qualy really believing he could challenge for WDC and then the race came and Max was just so quick, even on the old whites he was still faster than Sergio on his new ones.

Yes, the point was not Monaco, the point where the season turned was actually Baku. From there on Ver understood the setup that he needs. This is why he destroyed Per and the rest in all subsequent races.
Per never made this step.

I think this is also why they do have hopes for next season. The issue is very related to the setup.

[Wouter]

Channel 4 Sport
16 Sep 2023 #C4Sport #F1 #C4F1

Steve welcomes Sergio Perez to the Singapore Changi Airport under the waterfall, how romantic right? Checo discusses what it's like
to be Max Verstappen's teammate, addresses the recently issues within the Red Bull team, how he always comes across relaxed,
winning in Singapore and hopefully doing it again this weekend and how hard it is to stay in the sport.

[SiLo]

Channel 4 Sport
16 Sep 2023 #C4Sport #F1 #C4F1

Steve welcomes Sergio Perez to the Singapore Changi Airport under the waterfall, how romantic right? Checo discusses what it's like
to be Max Verstappen's teammate, addresses the recently issues within the Red Bull team, how he always comes across relaxed,
winning in Singapore and hopefully doing it again this weekend and how hard it is to stay in the sport.

We saw the same with Schumacher, then with Hamilton. These top, top drivers are clearly not fun to be a teammate with.

[Wouter]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/240131/p ... ssion.html
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Perez talks about racing in the king class of motorsport, and what it involves.
"Formula 1 is my sport, my life, my passion. Then, when you have such a hard time with your work, it is difficult to be cheerful at home
with your wife and children. I have therefore engaged a mental coach, because my family deserves to have that cheerful father at home," he told De Limburger.

"Together with my coach, I started working on becoming the best version of myself at home, but also as a driver.
As a result, I have found positivity again. I am now 33 years old, but I am still learning every day. On the track, but certainly also off it.
Partly because of this, I will never get tired of Formula 1. It's really great what this sport still gives me," concluded the Guadalajara-based driver.