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[SirBastianVettel]

Max is fortunate that Newey designs cars that suit his driving style. Perez doesn't handle a pointed front very well and has a hard time adapting to it.

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Can we actually say this? We can safely say that Max can handle Newey designed cars very well, but I don't think we can say yet that this is his natural driving style. For all we know he adapts very well and would be equally fast in cars that have very different handling characteristics.

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Yes, it is Max his natural driving style, always was. Newey always designs cars with a pointy front because they are the fastest and Max prefers to drive with a pointy front because they are the fastest. But you have to be able to do that and he has always been able to do that. Max can quickly adapt to a firm rear, but it is not that fast to drive so he doesn't like that.

Now I'm curious about the Toro Rosso in '15 and '16. You probably don't know this, but did they share similar characteristics to the Red Bull cars? Because he was quite handy with those cars as well.

[Wouter]

Can we actually say this? We can safely say that Max can handle Newey designed cars very well, but I don't think we can say yet that this is his natural driving style. For all we know he adapts very well and would be equally fast in cars that have very different handling characteristics.

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Yes, it is Max his natural driving style, always was. Newey always designs cars with a pointy front because they are the fastest and Max prefers to drive with a pointy front because they are the fastest. But you have to be able to do that and he has always been able to do that. Max can quickly adapt to a firm rear, but it is not that fast to drive so he doesn't like that.

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Now I'm curious about the Toro Rosso in '15 and '16. You probably don't know this, but did they share similar characteristics to the Red Bull cars? Because he was quite handy with those cars as well.

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Indeed, I don't know that but I know he is and was always handy with every car he drives.

[Sieper]

Look at those rollerskates with an F1 engine (up to and including 2016) with that halve of a rear wing. Such different cars.

[marcel171281]

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Yes, it is Max his natural driving style, always was. Newey always designs cars with a pointy front because they are the fastest and Max prefers to drive with a pointy front because they are the fastest. But you have to be able to do that and he has always been able to do that. Max can quickly adapt to a firm rear, but it is not that fast to drive so he doesn't like that.

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Now I'm curious about the Toro Rosso in '15 and '16. You probably don't know this, but did they share similar characteristics to the Red Bull cars? Because he was quite handy with those cars as well.

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Indeed, I don't know that but I know he is and was always handy with every car he drives.

I suspect (nothing more than that) that the Toro Rosso's of those years were much more neutral. Sainz is one of those drivers that doesn't like a lively rear as far as I know, and although Max outscored him, he wasn't very far away either. If the car was much on the nose I would suspect a bigger gap, especially in qually. They were often within a tenth and an understeery car is much easier to drive to the limit.

[organic]

It's that time of year to start thinking about what they will do with the rb20.

The interesting thing will be the sidepods. Pivot to waterslides or keep with the current approach? McLaren have shown that the waterslides are not inherently draggy - their efficiency is competitive already.

The rb19 chassis was relatively similar to the rb18 chassis. It's possible that with the money savings made in not running tunnel as much, bringing few upgrades they have found performance in more radical chassis development routes

Feel like with the rb18->rb19 we had more of an idea of what might change. There were obvious flaws: high speed, weight, balance. Not too easy with the rb19.

[Cs98]

Doesn't mean he's on the level of Verstappen, no one is. But the revising of his record to make him out to be some kind of bum who was never decent is a lie.

Max is good enough that he doesn't need a poor team mate "talked up" to make him (Max) look even better.

Perez is nothing special (in terms of F1 drivers, obviously all of these guys are top drawer compared yo the rest of us).

You are talking him down, I'm merely presenting his full F1 record to put his career in its proper context. We shouldn't revise history to try and detract from what we are seeing now. Perez is far from "poor" by F1 standards, which is not to say that he's special either. He's a well above average F1 driver, though never elite.

[ThijsMuis]

[Juzh]

https://twitter.com/PrimeF1__/status/17 ... 0591454218

this counts total damage without any context, just saying

[Just_a_fan]

Doesn't mean he's on the level of Verstappen, no one is. But the revising of his record to make him out to be some kind of bum who was never decent is a lie.

Max is good enough that he doesn't need a poor team mate "talked up" to make him (Max) look even better.

Perez is nothing special (in terms of F1 drivers, obviously all of these guys are top drawer compared yo the rest of us).

You are talking him down, I'm merely presenting his full F1 record to put his career in its proper context. We shouldn't revise history to try and detract from what we are seeing now. Perez is far from "poor" by F1 standards, which is not to say that he's special either. He's a well above average F1 driver, though never elite.

I'm not talking him down, I'm stating the obvious. Perez has dropped the ball far too often in the last couple of seasons when faced with pressure whilst driving the top car.

If Perez is "above average" then Bottas is "above above average".

Not that it matters.

[Sieper]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

[Mosin123]

Max is fortunate that Newey designs cars that suit his driving style. Perez doesn't handle a pointed front very well and has a hard time adapting to it.

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Can we actually say this? We can safely say that Max can handle Newey designed cars very well, but I don't think we can say yet that this is his natural driving style. For all we know he adapts very well and would be equally fast in cars that have very different handling characteristics.

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Yes, it is Max his natural driving style, always was. Newey always designs cars with a pointy front because they are the fastest and Max prefers to drive with a pointy front because they are the fastest. But you have to be able to do that and he has always been able to do that. Max can quickly adapt to a firm rear, but it is not that fast to drive so he doesn't like that.

I hear this said quite often, but ive never seen any proof, drivers say mixed things, but always lean towards personal preferance, MSC used to slide all 4 wheels at the apex of a corner, LH slids the front. Max slids the rears, LH is normally at full throttle faster than Max, MSC was never off it....... Prost had a famous saying "the ideal setup is one with an inclination towards understeer, which preserves the rear tyres and makes the car predictable in fast corners." ...... Max didnt look to comfy at Singapore when his rear was sliding all over the place uncontrollably, If it was faster, why didnt he drag the fastest car on the grid into q3? he had way more oversteer than those who did make q3

[Mosin123]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

i appreciate you thinking you know every body thinks. But Bottas is better than Perez, Perez is one of the worst drivers on the grid currently, Even Stroll is better when only counting each drivers last race, as your only as good as your last race right? Also Bottas drives at AR not Merc..

[AR3-GP]

Has RB announced the drivers and venues for their mandatory rookie driver free practice sessions? Lawson no longer qualifies because he has now competed in more than 2 GPs.

[dans79]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

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It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

Fortunately everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. The McLaren year for Perez was bad. He wasn't ready for a top team. Not everything always goes right for drivers: Bottas has himself looked at best mediocre immediately after leaving Mercedes. Is Zhou almost as good as Hamilton? Obviously far from it

It becomes obvious that we can play this game all day. But what's more constructive is not doing so. People can have opinions about Bottas and Perez but going around in this circle accomplishes nothing and adds nothing to the forum

This is RB thread let's just move on