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[CHT]

Perez may not be the quickest driver available for RBR, but being a Latin American driver he is extremely valuable to RB energy drink and F1.
It will be a shame if we don't have a Latin American driving in F1 .

Perez is still P2 in the driver championship, all he needs to do is to keep his head down and bring the car home for the remaining races.
I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2. Just like how Perez assisted Max at 2021 abu dhabi.

[SirBastianVettel]

I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2.

Good one

[taperoo2k]

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Nah, Perez isn't on Button's level. If you'd put Perez in the BGP 001 he'd have come second to Rubens.

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Did everyone forget that Perez is quite a competent driver that showed good things in both a Sauber and over several years of Force India? He is not as bad as everyone suddenly seems to think.
Just doesn't seem as capable at driving a car that's designed for Max' driving style. Which isn't a shame - the same applied to Albon and Gasly, who are both showing competence in other cars.

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In the Formula 1 Nations podcast, Newey also talks about the drivers he wants. He almost literally says that he wants drivers
who can adapt to the driving behavior of a car he designs. Not the other way around. He doesn't make a car specifically for a driver. He finds feedback from a driver very important and should not be underestimated. The driver must also be able to give that.

Max is fortunate that Newey designs cars that suit his driving style. Perez doesn't handle a pointed front very well and has a hard time adapting to it.

You see that throughout Newey's career be it Williams, McLaren or Red Bull. Vettel adapted his driving style to suit Newey's style of blown diffuser. Newey also sounds like he'd have loved to work with Lewis and Alonso but things didn't work out that way. If you want an accurate view of drivers, Newey is well worth listening to.

[Sieper]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

Here are the numbers for even the year 2021. Perez scored a few percent better than Bottas.

https://f1-analysis.com/2022/03/18/2021 ... -rankings/

Still Bottas outscored him so that makes it clear the Mercedes was the better car, enabling Bottas to do that whilst not outperforming Checo.

Perez is slightly better overall, the numbers back my feeling up.

[AMG.Tzan]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

Here are the numbers for even the year 2021. Perez scored a few percent better than Bottas.

https://f1-analysis.com/2022/03/18/2021 ... -rankings/

Still Bottas outscored him so that makes it clear the Mercedes was the better car, enabling Bottas to do that whilst not outperforming Checo.

Perez is slightly better overall, the numbers back my feeling up.

So if Mercedes was the better car but without the better engine, since Honda’s 21 engine was way better in terms of lifespan and ERS deployment, then the whole “Newey’s chassis were better than Mercedes during 2014-2021 but we didn’t have an engine” narrative goes to the bin!

The only reason Perez was doing well in 2021 was because the car was probably good enough and suited him! If it wasn’t then he would have ended up like Albon and Gasly! Although Bottas’s ultimate pace was truly better than Perez’s for some reason the guy decided to forget how to drive in 2021! His only goal being to battle Hamilton instead of Verstapen because Mercedes decided to drop him…

Not that it matters to me in any way or form since both of them are clear No2 drivers, but I think they’re closely matched! Bottas being better in qualifying but Perez better in the race!

[Hammerfist]

I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2.

Good one

Very funny indeed

Brazil 22’ anyone?

[CHT]

I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2.

Good one

Very funny indeed

Brazil 22’ anyone?

I think Max would prefer to have Perez as a teammate than someone who can challenge him for poles and wins.
If you can recall, back in 2008, the Ferraris were clearly the fastest car, but they had 2 drivers competing for wins and points and LH ended up winning the WDC.

[AR3-GP]

Perez may not be the quickest driver available for RBR, but being a Latin American driver he is extremely valuable to RB energy drink and F1.
It will be a shame if we don't have a Latin American driving in F1 .

Perez is still P2 in the driver championship, all he needs to do is to keep his head down and bring the car home for the remaining races.
I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2. Just like how Perez assisted Max at 2021 abu dhabi.

He is very valuable for Ford in Spanish speaking regions as well

[AR3-GP]

Perez is still P2 in the driver championship, all he needs to do is to keep his head down and bring the car home for the remaining races.
I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2. Just like how Perez assisted Max at 2021 abu dhabi.

Verstappen shares all of his setups with Perez. He also prevents the others from scoring maximum points.

[CHT]

Perez may not be the quickest driver available for RBR, but being a Latin American driver he is extremely valuable to RB energy drink and F1.
It will be a shame if we don't have a Latin American driving in F1 .

Perez is still P2 in the driver championship, all he needs to do is to keep his head down and bring the car home for the remaining races.
I am sure when necessary Max may assist him to keep his P2. Just like how Perez assisted Max at 2021 abu dhabi.

He is very valuable for Ford in Spanish speaking regions as well

South America is a big market for Red Bull energy drink too.

[lio007]

Aston Martin and McLaren very often mentioned their new wind tunnel, show YT-videos in AM's case about the progress, when it will be ready and so on.

But with RBR it's very much the opposite. We've heard last year that Mateschitz approved the new wind tunnel, since then absolutely silence. We don't know if they have even started the construction.
Sam Collins mentioned early in the year that there are difficulties with UK rail network.

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Aston Martin and McLaren very often mentioned their new wind tunnel, show YT-videos in AM's case about the progress, when it will be ready and so on.

But with RBR it's very much the opposite. We've heard last year that Mateschitz approved the new wind tunnel, since then absolutely silence. We don't know if they have even started the construction.
Sam Collins mentioned early in the year that there are difficulties with UK rail network.

The current wind tunnel seems to work well already. Newey mentioned a while back that the main issue is how long it takes to get up to speed & temperature which increases the cost of running it under the budget cap compared to other teams, made worse recently by increased energy costs, it's not a modern tunnel nor was it designed for F1 use originally. In terms of performance it's most likely perfectly adequate otherwise they would've invested in a new one a while ago since aero is the key in F1.

So I think the new tunnel for RB will increase the cost efficiency, but there's not necessarily a huge deficit to make up.

McLaren and AMR on the other hand have a different situation. Amr have to share their current wind tunnel with mercedes and I believe Merc have most of the control in that situation. They probably have to run the tunnel at inopportune hours and schedule may be determined by when Merc don't want it. Busy times of year probably make it even worse - engineers are already working flat out in some periods. McLaren's current tunnel is in France, owned by Toyota so they pay to use it, they have to spend time and money shipping or in some cases taking in luggage parts/models to and from the factory in woking. t's a huge issue for McLaren in terms of increased lead time and cost. Also McLaren's wind tunnel cannot simulate large angles of yaw which is another significant limitation.

So I think they talk about it more because they're coming from a worse position and stand to gain more from the upgrade. For RB it's going to be a smaller improvement. Perhaps also RB don't talk about it as much as it's much further from completion. It was only approved partway through last year, so I can't imagine it'll be ready to go for another couple of years.

[Sieper]

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

Here are the numbers for even the year 2021. Perez scored a few percent better than Bottas.

https://f1-analysis.com/2022/03/18/2021 ... -rankings/

Still Bottas outscored him so that makes it clear the Mercedes was the better car, enabling Bottas to do that whilst not outperforming Checo.

Perez is slightly better overall, the numbers back my feeling up.

So if Mercedes was the better car but without the better engine, since Honda’s 21 engine was way better in terms of lifespan and ERS deployment, then the whole “Newey’s chassis were better than Mercedes during 2014-2021 but we didn’t have an engine” narrative goes to the bin!

The only reason Perez was doing well in 2021 was because the car was probably good enough and suited him! If it wasn’t then he would have ended up like Albon and Gasly! Although Bottas’s ultimate pace was truly better than Perez’s for some reason the guy decided to forget how to drive in 2021! His only goal being to battle Hamilton instead of Verstapen because Mercedes decided to drop him…

Not that it matters to me in any way or form since both of them are clear No2 drivers, but I think they’re closely matched! Bottas being better in qualifying but Perez better in the race!

I don’t know what is up with all the emoticons and the Mercedes engine not being very good story you are introducing here, but at least we seem to agree that Bottas isn’t much better than Perez which is what was being posed by some.

[Just_a_fan]

It does matter. Stop selling us this story that Bottas is better the Perez. Nobody actually believes that. You weren’t interested in driver ying yang yet we keep reading about Mercedes drivers in the redbull thread. We all know why and it has no place here.

As far as i'm concerned Bottas is significantly better than Perez.

Did you forget Perez only lasted one season at McLaren before he was replaced with kmag, eventhough it ment the team lost all of Perez's backers money?

Here are the numbers for even the year 2021. Perez scored a few percent better than Bottas.

https://f1-analysis.com/2022/03/18/2021 ... -rankings/

Still Bottas outscored him so that makes it clear the Mercedes was the better car, enabling Bottas to do that whilst not outperforming Checo.

Perez is slightly better overall, the numbers back my feeling up.

Those scores are compared to their respective teammate, not the field as a whole. So they don't allow any meaningful comparison between Perez and Bottas.

[AR3-GP]

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