2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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organic wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 19:11
Russell under the spotlight more than Perez? Hahaha

He's been in a forgettable position for more than half of the races this year, often not fighting anyone

While Perez has the car that won 10 races in a row in his teammate's hands and he's going out in qualifying before Q3 5 races in a row. He's been under a microscope in the media. For the first 10 race weekends or so every F1 related podcast spent at least 10 minutes talking about Perez's performance be that good (at the start) or bad (after the first few rounds)
I did not mean spotlight in terms of amountnof media attention. But that point you made is natural regardless of nationality.

What i meant is that most of Perez mistakes are not as scrutinzed as much as Russel's is count for count. He's made so many errors and under performances in sheer number and these have not been all milked in media as they should compared to Russel's very few errors.
Each of russel's crashes and errors are scrutinized but maybe in a different way why Perez's seems more harsh. Russel is the future and he is young and he's taking risks that result in the few errors he makes. The media will interview him and get his opinion then speak to expectations but they wont say his seat is under threat. It cannot be, because he is young and has a lot of potentional.
The media talk about Perez seat because it's tue musical chair team of F1, redbull, who he drives for. He is also over 30 years old, his career could be declining, and there are others who can take his seat overnight. So i think the media is treating him fairly. It can be argued that Russel gets more air time to explain why he messed up than Perez does.
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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 18:51
chrisc90 wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 18:50
Wouter wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:45
"He crashed on the last lap fighting for second place, but nobody talked about it. When it happens at Red Bull, there are immediately
three hundred media saying you have to be replaced," Perez explained during an event at the Ford Mexico campus.
"This kind of thing happens a lot in F1 and that's how it works in a team environment,
but I think it also has a lot of influence that I am Mexican."

"I am very lucky to be Mexican and to have all this support that very few drivers have had in the history of the sport. I am proud
to represent my country all over the world."
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WOW. That quote in the picture is MASSIVELY taken out of proportion. Literally misses out the full context of the quoted lines.
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Absolutely. Which is why I wrote “if the quote is accurate” which it clearly isn’t. the media poisons everything with its selective narrative. Awful 😞
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That is why I posted it. :wink:

I asked myself why @Wogx posted this. It comes from First Sportz who has 1565 followers in Instagram!
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wogx wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 16:39
https://i.imgur.com/NnOZJq1.png
Poor old Checo, looking for any possible deflection opportunity!

George has had a solid season, Checo has had disaster after disaster!
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AR3-GP wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:43
Are Sargeant and Stroll Mexican? lol.

Sure there may be a small faction of anti-Mexican fans, but I suspect more of the criticism is simply coming from underperformance combined with all of the pent-up frustration by some factions who desire to see Verstappen defeated by a teammate. I
You shouldn't have mentioned Logan and Stroll. Now you've brought to light that this isn't about Checo's lack of performance, but rather a conspiracy against most of North America! =D>


I'm not sure what the context of the quote was from but if you are in the best car and not performing there is going to be more media and fan scrutiny no matter where the driver is from. But as with many things in the media, often the entire thing is out of context.


I'm sure RB eyes are on Checo, regardless of what the media makes of any of it. He's just not putting it together as he should, and the clock is ticking.

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Airshifter wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 01:49
AR3-GP wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 17:43
Are Sargeant and Stroll Mexican? lol.

Sure there may be a small faction of anti-Mexican fans, but I suspect more of the criticism is simply coming from underperformance combined with all of the pent-up frustration by some factions who desire to see Verstappen defeated by a teammate. I
You shouldn't have mentioned Logan and Stroll. Now you've brought to light that this isn't about Checo's lack of performance, but rather a conspiracy against most of North America! =D>

plot twist :lol:
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Duchessa says that the estimated damage of the wind tunnel penalty was 0.15s of laptime in hindsight. Presumably this value comes from some inside info (most likely from someone at Ferrari) as he is very reliable in my experience
It is the last month in which #RedBull will serve the penalty on tunnel/cfd development hours.

~0.15s the estimated damage

Not that anyone noticed, it's safe to say RBR would have won this world championship even with the 30% penalty

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Wind tunnel allowance will go up 7% come 26th October 8) 8)
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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 18:38
Wind tunnel allowance will go up 7% come 26th October 8) 8)
We have been starved of updates this year. Can't wait for actual development to happen in 2024 :lol:

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organic wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 18:45
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 18:38
Wind tunnel allowance will go up 7% come 26th October 8) 8)
We have been starved of updates this year. Can't wait for actual development to happen in 2024 :lol:
Long overdue some real development on the car. :wtf:
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lio007 wrote:
30 Sep 2023, 08:22
Aston Martin and McLaren very often mentioned their new wind tunnel, show YT-videos in AM's case about the progress, when it will be ready and so on.

But with RBR it's very much the opposite. We've heard last year that Mateschitz approved the new wind tunnel, since then absolutely silence. We don't know if they have even started the construction.
Sam Collins mentioned early in the year that there are difficulties with UK rail network.
Oh dear...they still haven't got approval to start construction. I think this was not planned like that from RBR:


Edit: as far as I understand they bought the highlighted building. I don't understand why biodiversity is a matter when an existing building is replaced by a new building.
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the 2024 car will need to be made with the old tunnel...

How long does it take to build a wind tunnel and the building needed for it?
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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 20:30
the 2024 car will need to be made with the old tunnel...

How long does it take to build a wind tunnel and the building needed for it?
Should be done for 2026.

The current tunnel is not that limiting. It has been updated many times over the years. It's pretty clear from Marko and Newey quotes over the past couple of years that its only drawbacks are operational: it takes a long time to heat up the air & costs a lot to run because the tunnel is larger than necessary (not purpose built for F1) and is an old facility (60s).

Without the cost cap, the current tunnel would probably be continued with until wind tunnel testing is phased out completely which is the direction they're heading in. They decided to build the new tunnel after the cost cap was brought in because primarily it'll be cheaper to run a purpose built F1 tunnel which is now quite important

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The application was only received in 9th March 2023, so the fact of it EVER starting before 2024 would have been VERY slim.

https://publicaccess2.milton-keynes.gov ... VOPKWGEC00

23/00566/FUL | Demolition of warehouse building and replacement with a motorsports testing facility, car parking, and associated works | Building Dc2, Bradbourne Drive Red Bull Technology Campus, Tillbrook Tilbrook Milton Keynes Milton Keynes MK7 8AT
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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2023, 20:57
The application was only received in 9th March 2023, so the fact of it EVER starting before 2024 would have been VERY slim.

https://publicaccess2.milton-keynes.gov ... VOPKWGEC00

23/00566/FUL | Demolition of warehouse building and replacement with a motorsports testing facility, car parking, and associated works | Building Dc2, Bradbourne Drive Red Bull Technology Campus, Tillbrook Tilbrook Milton Keynes Milton Keynes MK7 8AT
In that case I was way too optimistic.. either way it's not essential and doesn't seem to be performance limiting otherwise it would've been done a while ago tbh

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The forecast for Qatar is hot and humid. They've also recently resurfaced the entire track and changed kerbs. These two factors seemingly played a large role in throwing the team and setup off @ Singapore.

It's also a sprint weekend at Qatar to make matters worse.

This will be a true test