Future of Materials in Formula 1.

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Napier
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Hi Everyone,
I am doing a research paper on the future of materials in the automotive industry and figured Formula 1 would be the place to start. I am more or less looking for future materials that may possibly be used to increase structural rigidity, performance, and safety. I figured some of you may have done something similar in the past and could give me some ideas of where to start. Do you guys think this will be an easy topic to research? or, should I look into a different automotive technology area? BTW, this has to be on a future or emerging technology.
Thank you

Shrek
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unobtanium, unbreakanium :D
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Napier
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That sounds just like something my old statics/mechanics teacher used tos ay. #-o

speedsense
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Napier wrote:Hi Everyone,
I am doing a research paper on the future of materials in the automotive industry and figured Formula 1 would be the place to start. I am more or less looking for future materials that may possibly be used to increase structural rigidity, performance, and safety. I figured some of you may have done something similar in the past and could give me some ideas of where to start. Do you guys think this will be an easy topic to research? or, should I look into a different automotive technology area? BTW, this has to be on a future or emerging technology.
Thank you
I would look to the recent past of F1, when the rules allowed an open season in materials, some 6 or seven years ago (maybe longer). Additives in fuel, alternate composite of metals for motor bits. Mostly the advances in materials are in exhaust coatings and heat reduction (shielding). Though many of those can be found at a McDonald Douglas or NASA research facility.
You might also try researching the Endurance cars such as LMP1 and LMP2 cars or even GT1 cars as well...
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Hello Napier

Check this article out

http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/issues/09 ... s-0910.cfm

http://kn.theiet.org/communities/automotive/blog/f3.cfm

Something on a green racing car. Would have to think that materials will go this way if people can work on Natural fibres, and alot of research is going into it atm! (not muich which isn't banned in F1 is better than Carbon tho for performance and safety!)

Giblet
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Windform XT is a pretty big step.

Rapid prototyping material that has the strength and weight to be put straight on to a race car. Even loaded parts like wings.

Windform XT
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Interesting that they have a nose cone on their site! wonder how that would fair in a crash test?

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Steel, aluminum, and titanium aren't going away. Just specific alloys of each. MMC's aren't exactly new but they're pretty trick.
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James_graham wrote:Interesting that they have a nose cone on their site! wonder how that would fair in a crash test?
I would assume that you would not want to make a safety cell out of it, but nose cone? why not? The nose cones on F1 cars are as thin as possible and just break apart when hit hard.

but for parts developed through the year, it's a good tool/medium.
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Hello Napier, this is the multi billion dollar question isn't it?
How do car manufacturers reduce weight without loosing strength or increasing costs.

I think carbon fibre or similar laminated materials have a lot of potential in the mass market one day but then you are looking at future production and assembly techniques rather than debating the pro's and con's of the materiel itself.
Because it is so time consuming to produce material this way it is expensive; will machine tool technology allow rapid cnc construction of carbon fibre panels anytime soon? Maybe.
Another drawback of carbon fibre is the complexity of trying to assemble the parts and the specialist equipment required. We have all seen the robot spot welding arms on the T.V. pinching body panels together at pre determined points, making a nice shower of sparks and within minutes they have created the monocoque. So how do you go from that to assembling carbon fibre panels? do they re-tool? is it possible to adapt what they have? are they going to have to invent the equipment to do it?
Will the speed of introduction and frequency of use depend on how many and how big future grants/incentive packages for low emissions vehicles are, as well as how keen the aerospace industry are to keep increasing the number of CF components on airliners? Maybe.

Engine blocks in Formula 1 are still cast aluminium, pistons are forged aluminium, rods are titanium, and crankshafts... are... steel, I believe, as are gears, drive shafts could be Ti by now but I suspect they could be steel still, so it is not necessarily the place to look for inspiration. Titanium torsion springs are a neat trick but not sure if one would last 100,000 miles if it was soft sprung enough to give a nice ride on a road car.

One of the biggest problems for future material in the mass market is steel is a very good material. There are many better materials in the bespoke world of F1, many have been tried and banned.
Steel is easy to form and weld, (important to insurance companies too, y'know accidents) a good strength/weight/cost ratio, and with a minor change in composition and possibly some heat treatment it can be a body panel, a wheel, a con-rod, a track-rod end a shock absorber. A piece that is machined with uniform properties throughout, i.e. in a soft state can be case hardened to give a very hard surface whilst being malleable in the middle to increase resistance to shock loading. Titanium is always hard and therefore a bastard to machine.
In fact the more I talk about it the more I think Wow! Steel, it's a wonder material! I would say you will see further increases in the quality of steel and changes in the types, stronger, thinner parts as this has less of a knock on effect on infrastructure like factories.

In some ways road cars may be showing the future materials of F1, when plastic technology reaches a certain point F1 may have to adopt parts similar to those on the humblest of motors. The number of plastic components on road cars is increasing each model cycle as the technology to make these parts stronger, more temperature resistant and to a greater accuracy is being driven by a very great variety of consumers in the wider marketplace (in other words there's so much money in plastics the people making it can't afford not develop it). It could be argued that plastic is currently less recyclable than metal and requires a fair amount of oil to produce, I don;t know the figures, shame on me.

Perhaps it is safe to say that for the time being the future of materials in the automotive industry revolves around steel, aluminium and probably more plastic. CF may be seen in greater quantities amongst niche cars, brand leaders such as the BMW M3 CSL & Audi R8 would be a prime examples, and due to it's attractive (or possibly just fashionable) finish when coated with clear laquer the perception that it it's use is becoming more widespread may far overshadow the actual increases that are happening.

speedsense said the future could lay in coatings and I think he could be onto something there.
I'm sure I saw a coating quite a while back that you can put on say aluminium (just as an example) which then allow it to be used as the outer race of a steel balled bearing, now that has potential but it's not really the aluminium that has made that possible. it may have been a Poetons coating.
Some other firms to Google are Sulzer, Balzers.
There was a great article on here a few weeks ago about a coating:

http://www.f1technical.net/features/12397

This is not a very well put together post, I know it rambles because im a bit tired but hopefully some food for thought.

Napier
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safeaschuck- thank you very much for the excellent post. You guys have really given me ideas to think about.

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Napier,

There's a world of difference between the materials used for F1 chassis and the materials used for production cars.

F1 cars have no real cost constraints so they are free to use the best materials available. F1 car chassis are made of pre-preg graphite/epoxy composites which cost in excess of $40/lb. The engines and transmissions used to use Be-Al alloy castings that cost over $300/lb. F1 brakes and clutches use CRC, and cost several thousand dollars for each brake rotor/pad set or clutch pack. Etc.

Production autos use mild steel for bodies that costs about $1.00/lb. The reason that they don't use composites is that it would take several hours to lay-up one single auto body in composite and several more hours to cure it, versus about 20 seconds to stamp one out of steel. So if you have to make something like 100,000 chassis per year, it is not even remotely possible to do with composites. There are only about 8700 hours in a year, so even if you work 24 hours/day, a single composite mold could only produce about 350 parts/year. And to produce 100,000 chassis per year (which is still a low production number) would require almost 275 separate tools.

Get it?
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Altho what Riff Raff is saying is true Composite materials are making it into production cars, all be it high performance ones, the different manufacturing methods allow parts to be produced quickly (not as quickly as stamping out steel) For example plastic parts are being replaced (parcel selves and interior panels) by thermo forming of natural fibres. If you look at cars like SLR most of the chassis is carbon but infused rather than pre preg. Jersey tom has a point as well metallics aren't going to go away as you know how they behave!

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Lotus had a project running recently that resulted in an elise with a body/chassis made using hemp (I think), not ganja as such, more a composite of long-stranded natural fibres. The idea seemed to be not so much an improvement in performance of materials used, but more as a renewable resource given that carbon fibre supplies have been a bit of a problem, so a readily farmed material would be phenomenally cheap, easy to process and you win back some green credentials. If it was mary-jane they were using then there is the (wrong) notion of hop-heads setting fire to their cars when they feel the urge.
I am an engineer, not a conceptualist :)

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James_graham wrote:plastic parts are being replaced (parcel selves and interior panels) by thermo forming of natural fibres.
That is a very good point, one I hadn't cottoned on to. As parts which were traditionally metal are more likely to be plastic, so those that have been plastic (and subjuct to less loading) could be replaced with natural fibres. By naturual fibres though aren't we taliking about wood essentially? O.K. processed, pulped and re-formed with resin (glue) but from trees essentially.
And whilst this is a great avenue for progression it's more of a cyclical thing rather than a new idea. I have a 26 year old Golf with hardboard door cards, rear trim and a re-formed wood parcel shelf. In fact all of my older cars have had that. As car companies started hanging more crap off the door, integrating door handles and pockets for the aesthetic appeal, and requiring countless mounting points for electric window and mirror switches, fitting ever more impressive speaker packages, plus snap clips to hang the wires from naturual fibre makes less and less sense. Having a dozen plastic housing's spring clipped into a hardboard shell makes it very difficult to get the 'smooth' look stylists are after. Although a great sound deadener and ideal material for say a dashboard from a crash safety point of view (head impact) with the increase in on board technology across all market segment's I can't see natural fibres being up to task for any more than what the already do any time soon.
I wonder if the next oil crisis is a severe one and plastics end up being replaced with natural fibres in some cases, will those cars be looked back on in years to come with a wry sense of humour? I have had to replace some nasty old steel and lead water pipes out of peoples flats because when they were built there was a copper shortage, this is true for other products and items as well but my memory fails me at the mo.