2024 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, March 22 - 24

[PlatinumZealot]

Does anyone remember hamilton brake in the straight at canada to not give drs to alonso?

Yes Ive thought of it too. It is what it is, a new precedent has been set so past actions don't matter. Now they better enforce it.

Huh you guys are taking the mickey right?
Lol weaksauce!

[PlatinumZealot]

Was the braking a factor? According to the FIA statement it wasn't.

People have died at Eau Rouge, lifting unexpectedly mid corner is hardly safe.

Would Hamilton get a penalty for that move now? I think he would

Did you read the final ruling?
Potentially dangerous defending.

Lift and coasting into what is essentially a straight is different than stabbing the brakes around blind high speed corner with a chicane after it. There is no comparison with Eau Rouge.

Eau Rouge is a nasty place, especially before the renovations there was a nasty bump just in the middle of going up. When going up there at 180kph I had to open the steering slightly. If there was a car in front of me lifting that would have sent me into the wall straight.

I know F1 cars are a completely different breed, but there are reasons for GT3 cars and Formula cars losing it there and crashing hard. That's no place for a slight lift, much much more so than what Fernando did today.

Read my lips again... "lift... and... coast... Meaning no jerky, irregular movments. The attacking driver can easily react...

Can you tell where he did it below? It was so smooth its hard to tell without telemtry. In Alonso case the double stab was clear to see by Russell and he had to take evading action.

[Seanspeed]

Nah, left a lot of time on the table in quali and couldn't even score a single point despite 3 top cars not finishing. That car had a point in it today and he wasn't good enough to pull it out. Haas running away in the WCC.

This is just embarrassing man. You simply cant admit you were wrong. Albon drove a perfectly decent race with the machinery he had. But you're going to say otherwise no matter what, aren't you? smh

Albon drove a subpar race, he was overly conservative and could not capitalise on a huge opportunity to score points with many top cars going out. The real embarrassment this weekend was Williams, first to not have a spare chassi, and then to place crash prone Albon in the car to deliver a subpar performance.

Like I said, you will literally say ANYTHING at this point cuz nothing you claimed would happen came to fruition.

And yes, the whole problem was entirely that Williams didn't have a spare chassis. The choice to support Albon with their one car left was entirely reasonable. You're having a laugh if you think Sargeant would have been anywhere near what Albon was doing.

[Seanspeed]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

[Stig14]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

Alonso literally braked in the middle of the straight, accelerated again and then took the corner. I don't understand how this can be defended as anything other than a deliberate manoeuvre to put off the car behind (ie a brake test). That's not racing for me and not what we want to see. Fernando knew what he was doing but tries to hide behind excuses of "taking the corner how he wants". What a load of rubbish - he's experienced enough to not misjudge a corner that badly so he's either deliberately dangerous or simply incompetent.

[Cs98]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

Alonso literally braked in the middle of the straight, accelerated again and then took the corner. I don't understand how this can be defended as anything other than a deliberate manoeuvre to put off the car behind (ie a brake test). That's not racing for me and not what we want to see. Fernando knew what he was doing but tries to hide behind excuses of "taking the corner how he wants". What a load of rubbish - he's experienced enough to not misjudge a corner that badly so he's either deliberately dangerous or simply incompetent.

It can't. People attempting to explain away this as a legitimate way to race lack understanding for the rules and what constitutes legit racing. There are many different ways you can legitimately drive a corner, early braking being one of them. But braking 100m earlier than normal in a 25m braking zone is not one of them and far exceeds "early braking". That's just called braking on the straight, and under some circumstances (like when there is a car right behind) that is not allowed under the rules. This is just as frowned upon as uncontrolled weaving, and exactly as illegitimate a way to defend as that. Resorting to these dirty tactics to defend is not skillful or "big brain", it's just breaking the rules and putting others at risk.

[Dunlay]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

I wish actual F1 drivers can speak with such authority.

[Italiano]

Stupidest penalty since Vettel in Canada 2018. Russel cocks it up on his own and they blame Alonso...

[Mogster]

Stupidest penalty since Vettel in Canada 2018. Russel cocks it up on his own and they blame Alonso...

You can’t drive a few meters behind someone at 200mph unless you know where the leading car is going to brake. There’s a lot of trust involved in driving these cars.

From the stewards report Alonso actually braked 100m earlier than previously, downshifted then accelerated to the corner then braked again. That’s not acceptable. He’s extremely lucky Russell didn’t just run in the back of him.

Alonso wasn’t punished for creating dirty air, he was punished for erratic braking and accelerating. He could have changed his line, he could have hung around at the corner apex waiting to accelerate, that would have been ok. Once again it’s Alonso going too far fighting for 6th place.

[Waz]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

I think we're basically saying the same thing. I was referring to Alonso's statement however, about this incident not even being looked at on a different track with a tarmac run off, because after Russell loses control of his car, he'd just run wide or spin into the run off zone without wrecking his car.

Sounds like Alonso is saying he actually got punished for the outcome of Russell's lost control, unfairly so, rather than lifting early.

Edit: I support taking the outcome into consideration during contact incidents, but not sure that should be the case here.

Russell clearly arrives too fast in an attempted effort to get the pass done in desperation.

[basti313]

Alonso has a valid point, that on most other corners, Russell doesn't lose it touching the gravel.

It's honestly a racing incident, and if it was any other team, it probably would be.

Alonso didn't create a dangerous situation, he simply threw Russell off.

Russell didn't have to do some manic braking incident or anything that caused him to go off or anything. Russell simply carried too much speed into the corner trying to follow Alonso. In no world can Alonso be blamed for that.

I think we're basically saying the same thing. I was referring to Alonso's statement however, about this incident not even being looked at on a different track with a tarmac run off, because after Russell loses control of his car, he'd just run wide or spin into the run off zone without wrecking his car.

Sounds like Alonso is saying he actually got punished for the outcome of Russell's lost control, unfairly so, rather than lifting early.

Edit: I support taking the outcome into consideration during contact incidents, but not sure that should be the case here.

Russell clearly arrives too fast in an attempted effort to get the pass done in desperation.

Well, it is one of the stupid things in the attempt to rule F1...of course the outcome matter, it always does. Pretending it does not simply screws the judgement.
And of course...it is here very difficult as the situation definitely has a multitude of issues...one of them simply bad driving...but still, it was a dangerous move and, thus, to penalize.

[Espresso]

Looks like our bloodhound analytic Peter Windsor is on to something:
Is Brembo having problems with Brake Discs Production?
(Charles - Saudi Arabia, Max - Austrailia, Brembo teams replacing brake discs - Australia)

[Italiano]

You can’t drive a few meters behind someone at 200mph unless you know where the leading car is going to brake.

Yeah, no. It was much more than a few meters, approaching a braking zone with speeds goin well under 200 already. Which they all know, since...well it's a braking zone. You need to slow down. Not something Russell seems to comprehend sometimes.

Alonso wasn’t punished for creating dirty air, he was punished for erratic braking and accelerating.

If this is erratic, then just we might as well just stop racing on actual track with actual cars and drivers and just feed the teams car data into a sim and see what happens.

Once again it’s Alonso going too far fighting for 6th place.

Sure, might as well park the car if the fight isn't for first place huh? God above...

TL;DR it's a nothingburger that received a kneejerk reaction from the FIA.

[Espresso]

... erratic braking and accelerating. He could have changed his line, he could have hung around at the corner apex waiting to accelerate, that would have been ok. ...

It´s what they call racing...racing. E.g. something very common when you see in cart racing....
..But yeah it´s F1. We´re going to control everything. Even the way you race....

[Oleo]

... erratic braking and accelerating. He could have changed his line, he could have hung around at the corner apex waiting to accelerate, that would have been ok. ...

It´s what they call racing...racing. E.g. something very common when you see in cart racing....
..But yeah it´s F1. We´re going to control everything. Even the way you race....

100s pages of rulebooks, is surprised about rules existing..