2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Venturiation]

Russell on the two cars' setups after quali

we’re pretty similar on the set-ups.

“We both went in a similar direction. There was a small difference. But yeah, directionally very similar between the two of us.

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

[atanatizante]

motorsport.com :

"The drivers chose to go in pretty different directions to support our learning process, but it clearly didn’t work for us today on a single lap" Toto Wolff

“We made massive changes going into qualifying,” he said. “We just wanted to experiment. So George [Russell] decided to go one way, much different to what we had because we worked pretty much with the same before."

Russell's assessment was slightly different, stating that there was "a small difference, but directionally very similar between the two of us", although conceded that the team had overall made wide-reaching changes from the sprint in a bid to evoke an improvement in lower-speed performance. Either way, those changes did not appear to work out; Russell could only manage eighth in qualifying - over a tenth behind the Ferraris as the rear end of the Mercedes did not appear to connect particularly well with the front.

Let's settle the driver debate: team principal Toto Wolff stated that "the drivers chose to go in pretty different directions to support our learning process, but it clearly didn’t work for us today on a single lap."

So who is LYING ?
The Reichmarshall (who wants to protect the First Lieutenant)
OR
The Second Lieutenant (who wants to expose the First Lieutenant's shortcomings)

[j_ste]

Looking at the lap times Lewis was losing around 2-4 tenths in the slow corners and then gaining it all back in the others, pretty much got stuck behind Ocon before he pitted and Piastri, dipping in and out of drs range before the detection point despite him having damage because of it, Russell didn't seem to have the same issues.

The medium stint was wild...literally couldnt catch up to the Alpine.

Legit fifth fastest car. Aston threw away alot of points this weekend

[DGP123]

Russell on the two cars' setups after quali

we’re pretty similar on the set-ups.

“We both went in a similar direction. There was a small difference. But yeah, directionally very similar between the two of us.

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

Agree. There’s setup differences and Lewis ballsed it up. His mistake. Having said that, Russell is basically playing safe, going with the trusted baseline, and seems happy achieving P6 to P8 most weekends, and beating Lewis reinforces that approach.

[SKYnRacing24]

LOOOOL you cant make it up . Great overtakes but Russell is the leader in that team. Great performances while Lewis is using setup excuses for why he's been slow.

[Luscion]

Russell on the two cars' setups after quali

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

Agree. There’s setup differences and Lewis ballsed it up. His mistake. Having said that, Russell is basically playing safe, going with the trusted baseline, and seems happy achieving P6 to P8 most weekends, and beating Lewis reinforces that approach.

Well he said he's never doing that again but he also said the same thing in Japan, next GP is also a sprint weekend so let's see

[SKYnRacing24]

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

Agree. There’s setup differences and Lewis ballsed it up. His mistake. Having said that, Russell is basically playing safe, going with the trusted baseline, and seems happy achieving P6 to P8 most weekends, and beating Lewis reinforces that approach.

Well he said he's never doing that again but he also said the same thing in Japan, next GP is also a sprint weekend so let's see

He will do the same again. Its pathetic from someone of calibre like him. Always on the radio complaining about the car while Russell just gets on with it. It no wonder Wolf can't be asked with him and as a fan, his professionalism and mentality is poor.

4-1 and 5-0 to Russell. Can't keep hiding behind these setups trying to find a silver bullet mate,

[PlatinumZealot]

motorsport.com :

"The drivers chose to go in pretty different directions to support our learning process, but it clearly didn’t work for us today on a single lap" Toto Wolff

“We made massive changes going into qualifying,” he said. “We just wanted to experiment. So George [Russell] decided to go one way, much different to what we had because we worked pretty much with the same before."

Russell's assessment was slightly different, stating that there was "a small difference, but directionally very similar between the two of us", although conceded that the team had overall made wide-reaching changes from the sprint in a bid to evoke an improvement in lower-speed performance. Either way, those changes did not appear to work out; Russell could only manage eighth in qualifying - over a tenth behind the Ferraris as the rear end of the Mercedes did not appear to connect particularly well with the front.

Let's settle the driver debate: team principal Toto Wolff stated that "the drivers chose to go in pretty different directions to support our learning process, but it clearly didn’t work for us today on a single lap."

So who is LYING ?
The Reichmarshall (who wants to protect the First Lieutenant)
OR
The Second Lieutenant (who wants to expose the First Lieutenant's shortcomings)

I trust Toto anyday over George Russell.

Russell has not been forthright in the past. He has an agenda to make himself look good and he never apologizes for anything.

I'm not surpirsed that some people here (and Nico Rosberg!) are holding onto Russell's words as if they are from a genuine place. Ha!!

[j_ste]

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

Agree. There’s setup differences and Lewis ballsed it up. His mistake. Having said that, Russell is basically playing safe, going with the trusted baseline, and seems happy achieving P6 to P8 most weekends, and beating Lewis reinforces that approach.

Well he said he's never doing that again but he also said the same thing in Japan, next GP is also a sprint weekend so let's see

"Never doing that again" doesnt mean you wont make changes. He likely means not taking the route they took.

This is only an issue now that they suck. Lewis has always been this way, its just that before the car didnt suck...so you could work through it. Still have good straight line speed and overcome problems
Now, a bad starting position means youre dead. As they dont have any strengths to the car.

[PlatinumZealot]

Russell on the two cars' setups after quali

The same guy that says the car has pace for podiums Clown63

Agree. There’s setup differences and Lewis ballsed it up. His mistake. Having said that, Russell is basically playing safe, going with the trusted baseline, and seems happy achieving P6 to P8 most weekends, and beating Lewis reinforces that approach.

Exactly!!

Russell coming from Williams is just haping bagging some points and "beating" Lewis in a potato of a season when nothing matters, and no one cares.

If there is any time when the car can legitimately outpace Ferrari and McLaren we know who is to be thanked for that (by carrying out the experiments and developing the car in the vein of the great Schumacher).

[SKYnRacing24]

Oh btw i thought this car was meant to work in colder conditions. Thats another excuse out the window lool

[kc_f1]

Weekend after weekend...just embarrassing.
Other drivers/teams including Ferrari, Mclaren and Redbull have been in 4th/5th fastest in the past..but never heard any of them crib publicly about setup directions or any other reason.
On top of that there's Toto who doesn't feel ashamed when he claims that "the car had the pace to fight for podiums".

Classic overpromise and underdeliver situation.

[jumpingfish]

Weekend after weekend...just embarrassing.
Other drivers/teams including Ferrari, Mclaren and Redbull have been in 4th/5th fastest in the past..but never heard any of them crib publicly about setup directions or any other reason.
On top of that there's Toto who doesn't feel ashamed when he claims that "the car had the pace to fight for podiums".

Classic overpromise and underdeliver situation.

Come on, Binotto said there was nothing stopping Ferrari from winning all the remaining races in the season So Toto isn't alone

[JordanMugen]

This year is a write off and means nothing unless they can get the car into a state where it can finish 2nd in the championship.

That's an odd sentiment! Mercedes GP is a solid mid-pack team and they have a solid-pack car. That seems entirely on course for their development.

A "write off" would be Alpine F1 team, but even they are keeping the development of their '24-'25 going and adding performance to it, just as we expect Mercedes GP to do the same with their '24-'25 car (assuming two year cycles and that there is no scope/budget for another revolution in '25).

If there is any time when the car can legitimately outpace Ferrari and McLaren we know who is to be thanked for that (by carrying out the experiments and developing the car in the vein of the great Schumacher).

Hamilton and Russell are both good drivers, such bickering is not helpful. Such a shame that Russell didn't get the promotion in 2020 to contest the 2020 and 2021 WDCs, but it what is and Mercedes GP preferred to delay Russell's move for whatever reason.

[PlatinumZealot]

A write off means imo, the championship position of the year are secondary to the team. you don't focus resources on this year's results. You focus resources on making huge steps for the next year.