European GP 2009 - Valencia

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You are vultures.

If you were given a Ferrari to drive, and asked to finish the race and not crash, would you overdrive?

Apparently you would. Look at drivers first tests in the off season when they come to F1 for the first time, they are usually off by about the same margin as Badoer to Kimi.

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ds.raikkonen wrote:Dear lord, what a disastrous qualy for poor Luca....an italian driving for an italian team! He s gonna have a sleepless night for sure.
Good lap by Kimi in the end and by Heikki too, only if the last corner went well, LH could ve been easily P2. We ll see who makes the best out of the situation. Kimi will have something up his sleeve.
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ds.raikkonen wrote:Dear lord, what a disastrous qualy for poor Luca....an italian driving for an italian team! He s gonna have a sleepless night for sure.
Good lap by Kimi in the end and by Heikki too, only if the last corner went well, LH could ve been easily P2. We ll see who makes the best out of the situation. Kimi will have something up his sleeve.
Except Lewis was up by a big margin on his final lap but pulled into the pits as he got radioed to tell him it was necessary.

Kimi will run out of mixer in the heat by lap 26 and give up the ghost shortly after ;)
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lewis all the way wrote:has anyone found any pics of the new front wing yet?

caught a glimpse on the telly but not for long.

it looks very intricate with holes and posts everywere, the side plates can hardly be cauled plates, theres nothing flat about them.
http://www.f1technical.net/images/devel ... fw-eur.jpg here you go


I'm a bit worried about the barri pace. He could be a threat for the win, I doubt a double will be possible with the kovy race pace and the confident barri. Unless barri messes up big time at the start. I hope vettel can pass barri. Lewis should be able to make a gap, (I hope kovy too but I doubt it), before he has to pit but let's see if it'll be big enough. Go Mclaren-Mercedes!!!
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Bwoy... Luca the driver is 1.5 seconds off Alguersuari's pace and dead last on the grid. He really needs to make a better first impression. I can't imagine how the Ferrari fans are feeling about him right now.

My Predictions, Hamilton (walk in the park) then Barichello then Kovi. Also, Luca will get overtaken by the 10th place driver.. :lol:
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ringo wrote:mini bottle?
:lol: ...you ll see mate. you ll see, if there s one thing ive learnt in F1, its that never never never ever underestimate Kimi Matias Raikkonen.
n smikle wrote:THE ONE... is back..in his rightful place.
LH's pace was too good indeed, but Heikki's was better. So lets wait and watch if Kovi storms into the lead on the first corner...
Giblet wrote:I'm curious to see his fastest lap after tomorrow, regardless.
I sincerely hope that his fastest lap is atleast better than 1.6sec behind P19, like in qualy, or otherwise we might witnes the race in which a car was lapped `n' times by the leaders(where n tends to any friggin no. in our case).
Scotracer wrote:Kimi will run out of mixer in the heat by lap 26 and give up the ghost shortly after ;)
If im not wrong, Kimi's race pace is pretty impressive thanhis qualy pace(on most of the occassions lately...), and if he gets in the groove with good tyre temperature at the start, we might see again what the iceman is made of 8) he s a natural fighter, just like the spartans....cant wait for the 5 lights to go out tommorrow.
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ringo wrote:
ds.raikkonen wrote:Dear lord, what a disastrous qualy for poor Luca....an italian driving for an italian team! He s gonna have a sleepless night for sure.
Good lap by Kimi in the end and by Heikki too, only if the last corner went well, LH could ve been easily P2. We ll see who makes the best out of the situation. Kimi will have something up his sleeve.
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but still, if kimi can leapfrog button and maybe even vettel at the start, he might even fight for the podium.
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Giblet wrote:You are vultures.

If you were given a Ferrari to drive, and asked to finish the race and not crash, would you overdrive?

Apparently you would. Look at drivers first tests in the off season when they come to F1 for the first time, they are usually off by about the same margin as Badoer to Kimi.

Buzzards.
Amen, that.

I'm gonna stick Trulli's quote in here, because it's a really unbiased, accurate perspective on the situation


Do you have any comments on Luca Badoer's performance?
I did expect him to struggle. It's difficult for everyone to step into a car after such a long time out of the business. I think he is trying his best but he will need a bit more time definitely. More testing. I think it's hard. There is little we can judge about it in the end because it is obviously a very difficult situation.

Has he got that more time though do you think?

I think he has to enjoy what he is doing at the moment. We are in the business and we all know how hard it is. People from the outside would probably expect more but it is impossible honestly. Luca was a good driver as well when he was driving, but being out of the business since 10 or 15 years is not ideal for you to jump in the car on a race weekend, which is very different from testing, without testing and without experience. I don't think he is having a lot of fun, but he needs to still do his job and do his best.

I think he has to enjoy what he is doing and try to do his best step-by-step because miracles do not happen like this. If miracles happen then we should save them for much more important things.

Are you surprised that Luca is slower than Alguersuari and Grosjean?

It's difficult to explain how difficult it is to drive a Formula 1 car if you don't drive it every week and every month.
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n smikle wrote:He really needs to make a better first impression.
Really? What were you expecting from a guy who hasn't raced in a decade, and gets called up on zero notice and gets no track prep time? My impression is, he's doing exactly what can be expected of anyone in his situation, putting on a brave face and doing his damndest!
I can't imagine how the Ferrari fans are feeling about him right now.
The stupid ones will still be hung up on Schumacher not returning, and probably somehow blame it on Luca. The reasonable ones will (see above) actually "get it" and give him all the latitude in the world.

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De Jokke wrote:I'm a bit worried about the barri pace. He could be a threat for the win, I doubt a double will be possible with the kovy race pace and the confident barri. Unless barri messes up big time at the start. I hope vettel can pass barri. Lewis should be able to make a gap, (I hope kovy too but I doubt it), before he has to pit but let's see if it'll be big enough. Go Mclaren-Mercedes!!!
Yes, you should be worried. Barricello's fuel load is impressive, and he's quite comfortable at this track. After he got pimped over by his pit crew in Germany, they better get it right this time. I would choose Barri for the win.

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You guys amaze me. Take any top level athlete effectively away from competition for 10 years and see how they do on thier debut on a track they've never been to and in a car they haven't driven alot of miles in and see how they do. I say some pretty stupid things on this forum, but to fault Luca for taking a stab at the highest level of international motosport after a ten year hiatus and expect him to be on pace with the guys that do it every two weeks is pretty dumb to think. The guy is trying his best on a track he's never seen I'm sure of it. Chill with the high expectations please.

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I think this season has highlighted what a joke F1 has become.
reminds me of the no changing tires rule.
concept is ok but it was not in practice.
how can you ask someone to race a car with about 1400bhp/tonne without practice.
go off and tell man united not to practice/train all season and see how they do!
I would like to see if it has cut costs.
If I was an F1 manager i would assume you would not be transporting crap loads of new parts to the track for friday practice, instead of heading down the road to silverstone to see how it runs.
also the cost of taking the wrong updates to the race. you dont have time to test everything so what if you have 2 different approaches and you dont have time to test them. you bring the wrong parts. you lost points. you lost sponsorship.

they could have seen this rookie issue coming.
They could have built a F1 car (neutral) for people to train with.
they bought miniari F1 2 seater cars in the past.
it would not have been perfect, there would be huge differences between this car and the fearri etc. but it would have been something.

dont get me wrong i love F1
but man there making a dogs dinner of it.

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lewis all the way wrote:has anyone found any pics of the new front wing yet?

caught a glimpse on the telly but not for long.

it looks very intricate with holes and posts everywere, the side plates can hardly be cauled plates, theres nothing flat about them.



http://www.f1technical.net/images/devel ... fw-eur.jpg here you go


I'm a bit worried about the barri pace. He could be a threat for the win, I doubt a double will be possible with the kovy race pace and the confident barri. Unless barri messes up big time at the start. I hope vettel can pass barri. Lewis should be able to make a gap, (I hope kovy too but I doubt it), before he has to pit but let's see if it'll be big enough. Go Mclaren-Mercedes!!!
i wouldnt be too worried, most people have read into this all wrong, lewis set his lap with 3 extra laps of fuel on board at the start of the session, and abandonded his final lap which was blindingly fast.

you can find the proper pace of the drivers here

http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/blog/inde ... -analysis/

it shows hamilton was clearly faster.

and kovy wasnt too bad either, i just hope he can keep it up in the race (im not holding my breath though)

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sorry bad link here you go

http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/blog/inde ... -analysis/

3 laps of fuel is just over 8kgs worth, they reckon 10kgs is worth 0.3 second, so barri is quick, but not as quick as it seems.

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ds.raikkonen wrote: LH's pace was too good indeed, but Heikki's was better. So lets wait and watch if Kovi storms into the lead on the first corner...
Eh? How did you get to that? As Heikki may have taken provisional pole had he not fecked up his lap? Lewis was going even quicker and aborted as no one could beat him. And fuel adjusted for the lap in which Lewis actually set his fastest lap, then he actually had a slight edge over Rubens as well.

Presuming the top three all get off the line cleanly then Lewis should have this race sewn up but I do reckon Rubens poses a threat and should have the pace to beat Kovi.

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bjpower wrote:I think this season has highlighted what a joke F1 has become.
reminds me of the no changing tires rule.
concept is ok but it was not in practice.
how can you ask someone to race a car with about 1400bhp/tonne without practice.
go off and tell man united not to practice/train all season and see how they do!
I would like to see if it has cut costs.
If I was an F1 manager i would assume you would not be transporting crap loads of new parts to the track for friday practice, instead of heading down the road to silverstone to see how it runs.
also the cost of taking the wrong updates to the race. you dont have time to test everything so what if you have 2 different approaches and you dont have time to test them. you bring the wrong parts. you lost points. you lost sponsorship.

they could have seen this rookie issue coming.
They could have built a F1 car (neutral) for people to train with.
they bought miniari F1 2 seater cars in the past.
it would not have been perfect, there would be huge differences between this car and the fearri etc. but it would have been something.

dont get me wrong i love F1
but man there making a dogs dinner of it.
Please Please do NOT for the Love of God blame the FIA for the in season testing ban, it is purely an idea put forward by FOTA and no one else.