European GP 2009 - Valencia

[Callum]

So, so, so, soo boring.

[timbo]

This seems to be the source of the confusion during the 2nd pit stop... Contrary to Whitmarsh I think Lewis with a good 2nd stop still could have won.

That would be within his reach, but he lost 5 secs compared to Heikki's stop and when he was out it was about 6-6.5 secs between Rubens and him, so Rubens still would have had upper hand.

[Conceptual]

Congrats to Barrichello.

And even when the Team Boss of McLaren says that the pit stop error did not directly cause the loss of first place, the internet experts still deny and blame it.

Some of the people on this forum are just sad. If they deflect the responsibility of their own lives the way they deflect the responsibilities of their favorite drivers, I'm glad that I don't have to deal with them in person. The horsesh*t would simply stink too much.

[tok-tokkie]

I found having this post very useful. I printed it out then wrote the names in pitting order. Then the relative performance of the drivers during the first stint was much easier for me to understand.

[gridwalker]

I know that this isn't technical, but does anyoune have a photo of Jock Clear in his interesting headgear from after the race?

Any help would be appreciated

[Ray]

I can't wait to see Hamiltons stupid ass dad rolling his eyes in the garage like a damn fool. I really wish they would ignore his ass on the broadcasts. He think he's mister big shot because of the immense talent his son possesses and it grates my nerves to see him. The moron even said that McLaren screwed Lewis in Australia even though Lewis bold face lied to the world about what he had done, and his father said that McLaren were at fault( not mentioning they went along with the story). I can't stand that man and I wish the TV would stay away from him. And his dumb girlfriend too. It's racing, not a who's who broadcast.

Ruben won that race fair and square. Amazing that Lewis lost a race and all the dummies come out saying that Rubens only won because of a screw up in the pits, or yadda yadda yadda. McLaren said they didn't have the pace, even with that stupid ass KERS, to beat the Brawn. It's amazing to see people try and take something like a legitimate race win from a guy that out drove and out-strategized a fellow competitor. Rubens never lost sight of Lewis the whole race, and pounced when the time was right. How can that no be deserving? If the roles were reversed the Hamilton lovers would be boasting about how great King Lewis is. Or the 'Chosen One' or whatever the idiots call him.

I feel for Luca. He kept it off the wall all race, didn't crash anyone, and finished. After ten years away from top competition that's a pretty damn good return in my book. Do that in any other sport and see what happens. Tell Usain Bolt to not compete at the top level for 10 years and only practice every so often a year and see how he does in the 100m 10 years from now. You people need to stop being so full of yourselves and you opinions. I know that's hypocritical and I will do my best to follow what I say.

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, Hamilton was winning from the start, the old dominance tale seemed to come back.

I confess I was falling sleep, went to make some breakfast and when I came back, the older guy in the grid was in front. Nice surprise. That pancake I was eating tasted really great.

In a second I realized how important is, for a race to be interesting, to have in front a guy you can relate to.

Glad for Rubens, he deserved it, great race, great qualy, with a KERS-less car in a very tight circuit. A long time without a win.

The race for the driver championship between Button and Webber is still very interesting. Who could have predicted last year that the championship would be disputed between an Honda and a Red Bull?

BTW, Monaco... well, perhaps we have to excuse the poorest track layout in history because of... the history and the "glamour", which means a bunch of rich guys exhibiting their cars and trophy wiwes, all together.

However, then we have Singapore on top of it, where glamour and history shine by their abscense.

Now we have Valencia.

Cheap transitory circuits they are, I think. I would prefer sites like, I don't know... even Imola.

I have nothing against street circuits, I still remember the win by John Watson from 22nd to 1st at the US GP in 1983 (?) but, three of them, capable of handling only slower cars (apparently) seem too much.

This circuit doesn't seem able to handle well the kind of cars we have today: how diferent was the GP3 race I saw afterwards. Of course, is not the same to take those curves at 260 kph instead of taking them at 320.

[pjobmathew]

wouldn't it be more interesting to see Valentino Rossi instead of Luca ,

lol

[ISLAMATRON]

This seems to be the source of the confusion during the 2nd pit stop... Contrary to Whitmarsh I think Lewis with a good 2nd stop still could have won.

That would be within his reach, but he lost 5 secs compared to Heikki's stop and when he was out it was about 6-6.5 secs between Rubens and him, so Rubens still would have had upper hand.

A good point but, when LH came out he was directly behind Rosberg and that may have slowed him down a tenth or two... AND, had LH come out directly behind RB, he may have pressured him into a mistake or into degrading those option tires which RB finished the last stint of the race on.... so many ifs... but oh well.

I for one would have liked to see a closer race where McLaren would not have made the mistake, I prefer to see races won & lost on the track.

Regardless, still a great win for RB, he avoided any of the mistakes that he had been making earlier this year and is team were perfect. Absolutely well deserved.

[PlatinumZealot]

I can't wait to see Hamiltons stupid ass dad rolling his eyes in the garage like a damn fool . I really wish they would ignore his ass on the broadcasts. He think he's mister big shot because of the immense talent his son possesses and it grates my nerves to see him. The moron even said that McLaren screwed Lewis in Australia even though Lewis bold face lied to the world about what he had done, and his father said that McLaren were at fault( not mentioning they went along with the story). I can't stand that man and I wish the TV would stay away from him. And his dumb girlfriend too. It's racing, not a who's who broadcast.

Ruben won that race fair and square. Amazing that Lewis lost a race and all the dummies come out saying that Rubens only won because of a screw up in the pits, or yadda yadda yadda. McLaren said they didn't have the pace, even with that stupid ass KERS, to beat the Brawn. It's amazing to see people try and take something like a legitimate race win from a guy that out drove [-X and out-strategized =D> a fellow competitor. Rubens never lost sight of Lewis the whole race, and pounced when the time was right. How can that no be deserving? If the roles were reversed the Hamilton lovers would be boasting about how great King Lewis is. Or the 'Chosen One' or whatever the idiots call him.

I feel for Luca. He kept it off the wall all race, didn't crash anyone, and finished. After ten years away from top competition that's a pretty damn good return in my book. =D> Do that in any other sport and see what happens. Tell Usain Bolt to not compete at the top level for 10 years and only practice every so often a year and see how he does in the 100m 10 years from now. You people need to stop being so full of yourselves and you opinions. I know that's hypocritical and I will do my best to follow what I say.

The chosen one couldn't win today the way things worked out.
I actually wanted Barichello to win more than I wanted Lewis to win because of how Brawn screwed him over for Button in the past.

As for Luca, I feel it for him too.. We understand how hard it is, but hey.. it is what it is. Hope that he keeps his hopes up and by next time he will improve.

[Confused_Andy]

imo, one of the best races in the season.

I was so happy for Rubens and he totally deserved that, I was hoping even from friday's practise that he won it over Button.

I have to agree that Martin Brundell & John Legards were annoying, you see that little team radio icon appear to the right of the screen and they carry on talking, I was there shouting at the screen for them to shut up lol!

And I can agree with Ray, I cannot stand Hamilton's dad, why is he there? He wont have any impact on the race at all, we havent seen John Button for a few races now, well not on TV, yet at every race we see Mr. Hamilton stood there salking.

Anyway, good race, very glad the next one's only a week away, 4 week break was tooo long!

[dave34m]

I dont think it was one of the best races of the season, I actually cant remember too many passing moves other than during pitstops, certainly none at the front of the field. It would be really good if these new tracks provided overtaking opportunities.

[chasefreak]

lewis was not using the updated front wing..... i think they were never able to get a new wing in time for quali.... so the new wing was never used

[djos]

So, so, so, soo boring.

+1, worst GP circuit ever and produces dull boring races!!!

[Scotracer]

This circuit would be more suited to GT cars. But in reality, what makes it a boring circuit is that it's stuck in limbo - it's neither a road circuit or a full-blown racing track. It contains virtually none of the features of a road track:

-No manhole covers
-No kerbs
-No big bumps
-No "whitelines"
-No tight track
-No lack of run off (excuse the double negative)

It's just a normal track that they've stuck walls around, really. There's no problem with the circuit itself that stops overtaking - in fact, it should promote a lot of overtaking...but these monstrocities that we call F1 cars just aren't capable of doing it.

OWG, get back to work.