2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

KimiRai had suggested that the bickering about direction between the race team and the factory was a sign that they had lost confidence in Fallows. I wasn't sure at the time but this is kind of reafirmation of that. He had to step aside ....for now.

[zoroastar]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

hes still available to them if they need any of his knowledge, and wont be under the cost cap. im sure newey, cardille and cowell are now their top 3 under the cap and they needed to make space. plus, if rumors are correct, he wanted out, and with most of the 25 car design probably getting close to being finalized, maybe they want someone with some fresh eyes in there. its probably not optimal, but they were the slowest car in brazil with the latest upgrades he signed off on. hopefully bob bell can channel some of his 05 and 06 magic and get a decent car on track next february. not a lot to lose at this point until 2026

[zoroastar]

does anyone remember when the cost cap kicks in for the following year? i remember it being pretty weird timing (at least to me)from the redbull cost cap breach stuff

[zoroastar]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

KimiRai had suggested that the bickering about direction between the race team and the factory was a sign that they had lost confidence in Fallows. I wasn't sure at the time but this is kind of reafirmation of that. He had to step aside ....for now.

theres more from the same people that did that video on a podcast i listened to last week. i wish i had a link. but they said theyve been hearing rumors of fallows wanting to leave (with nowhere else to go apparently) for the past couple of months. i expect hell be going to another team as soon as aston dont have to pay him anymore. itll be interesting to see if he can do better at another team, or if newey was making him seem like an aero genius when they were together at redbull. im sure hes a really brilliant guy but f1 seems to eat a lot of brilliant guys for lunch. it looks like aston at least, will get his services somewhere until his gardening leave is up.

[peewon]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

KimiRai had suggested that the bickering about direction between the race team and the factory was a sign that they had lost confidence in Fallows. I wasn't sure at the time but this is kind of reafirmation of that. He had to step aside ....for now.

Krack should have stepped in and been more assertive. I think this internal bickering and then it leaking out to the public shows lack of strong leadership. It looks bad when you have the same problems over and over again and you cant figure out why. Thats on Fallows. But I dont know what should be expected from an aerodynamicist if there are correlation issues with the WT. Krack not being a technical guy himself and being junior in F1 experience compared to other guys hurts his leadership I think. Its possible they threw out the baby with the bath water.

[peewon]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

hes still available to them if they need any of his knowledge, and wont be under the cost cap. im sure newey, cardille and cowell are now their top 3 under the cap and they needed to make space. plus, if rumors are correct, he wanted out, and with most of the 25 car design probably getting close to being finalized, maybe they want someone with some fresh eyes in there. its probably not optimal, but they were the slowest car in brazil with the latest upgrades he signed off on. hopefully bob bell can channel some of his 05 and 06 magic and get a decent car on track next february. not a lot to lose at this point until 2026

Hes gone for all intents and purposes. Even if hes on he payroll, the emotional and psychological scarring from what is effectively a firing is too much for him to be expected to contribute. I think the Team Principal is usually one of the 3 exempt salaries. It might be Krack depending on his salary who may also end up on the chopping block next season.

[peewon]

Curious timing for the Fallows dismissal. With Newey and Cardile set to join mid season and focussing on '26, you would think they would have kept him around for another season. Maybe the problems are all down to a correlation issues from the WT. Give him a season with their new WT. Maybe Cardile can join sooner or maybe he is a budget cap casualty.

KimiRai had suggested that the bickering about direction between the race team and the factory was a sign that they had lost confidence in Fallows. I wasn't sure at the time but this is kind of reafirmation of that. He had to step aside ....for now.

theres more from the same people that did that video on a podcast i listened to last week. i wish i had a link. but they said theyve been hearing rumors of fallows wanting to leave (with nowhere else to go apparently) for the past couple of months. i expect hell be going to another team as soon as aston dont have to pay him anymore. itll be interesting to see if he can do better at another team, or if newey was making him seem like an aero genius when they were together at redbull. im sure hes a really brilliant guy but f1 seems to eat a lot of brilliant guys for lunch. it looks like aston at least, will get his services somewhere until his gardening leave is up.

He had a big reputation in the paddock before coming from RB. Its possible correlation issues can make anyone look confused and foolish. Its also possible hes good but only in a narrow scope. Newey probably knows him best but they have been rumored to not get along in the past so maybe this was inevitable anyway after they hired Newey.

[Waz]

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So the correlation Fallows described as being the problem was the interaction between the floor and the ground in different turn scenarios(speed, bumps, roughness of the pavements, etc). Maybe the Merc WT just doesn't have the tools to look into that? It wasn't that they didn't achieve the DF levels. It was that it fluctuated to the point that the drivers lost confidence in the car.
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I would find it strange if the Mercedes windtunnel didn't have the right tools considering they were the highest spender in the sport before the budget cap.
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By Toto's own admission at the start of the budget cap, their departments operated with carte blanche to material costs. The is an interview snippet where he specifically makes a joke about his machining department not knowing how much the billet would cost for a wheel nut.

There has also been mention on another forum that Toto has not updated facilities much at all over the last decade. Most likely with the mindset of "don't fix what ain't broken" while winning.

[Rikrikrik]

Ma fra l’oggi deludente e un 2026 che si prospetta fulgido ci sarà un 2025 ricco di incognite: Dan Fallows è stato messo da parte, ma toccherà a Luca Furbatto, CTO di Silverstone, curare la parte meccanica della AMR25, mentre l’aerodinamica resta nelle mani di Blandin.

Obiettivo? Fare un passo indietro: abbandonare la filosofia aero 2024, tornando ai concetti di una macchina che in versione “low speed” aveva acceso molte speranze. E potrebbe essere la prima ripartenza…

Aston will return to AMR23 concept to AMR25...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10673993/

[Nikosar]

Ma fra l’oggi deludente e un 2026 che si prospetta fulgido ci sarà un 2025 ricco di incognite: Dan Fallows è stato messo da parte, ma toccherà a Luca Furbatto, CTO di Silverstone, curare la parte meccanica della AMR25, mentre l’aerodinamica resta nelle mani di Blandin.

Obiettivo? Fare un passo indietro: abbandonare la filosofia aero 2024, tornando ai concetti di una macchina che in versione “low speed” aveva acceso molte speranze. E potrebbe essere la prima ripartenza…

Aston will return to AMR23 concept to AMR25...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10673993/

Thanks for the article very interesting. So Fallows job will be split between Blandin and Furbatto. Both of them have impressive CVs. With Blandin new head of aerodynamics and Furbatto as TD ?

It will be a very long winter if Aston Martin reverted to the AMR23 design with a shift back to a pull-rod rear suspension, compared to the AMR24’s push-rod setup. This mean that they will also change Chassis Design, Rear Suspension Structure and Floor Design.

[Rikrikrik]

Ma fra l’oggi deludente e un 2026 che si prospetta fulgido ci sarà un 2025 ricco di incognite: Dan Fallows è stato messo da parte, ma toccherà a Luca Furbatto, CTO di Silverstone, curare la parte meccanica della AMR25, mentre l’aerodinamica resta nelle mani di Blandin.

Obiettivo? Fare un passo indietro: abbandonare la filosofia aero 2024, tornando ai concetti di una macchina che in versione “low speed” aveva acceso molte speranze. E potrebbe essere la prima ripartenza…

Aston will return to AMR23 concept to AMR25...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10673993/

Thanks for the article very interesting. So Fallows job will be split between Blandin and Furbatto. Both of them have impressive CVs. With Blandin new head of aerodynamics and Furbatto as TD ?

It will be a very long winter if Aston Martin reverted to the AMR23 design with a shift back to a pull-rod rear suspension, compared to the AMR24’s push-rod setup. This mean that they will also change Chassis Design, Rear Suspension Structure and Floor Design.

I think this is their first step forward after almost 2 years is return to the AMR23 concept and use the "Bahrain 2023 car" like a solid base. That car had a lot of virtues, that car was a beast but was silenced by AM upgrades

[SSJ4]

i said for 1.5 years they should have gone back to bahrain 23 spec and worked from there. honestly 2025 is a year where i'm not particularly bothered where they finish.

all eyes are on 2026 and when cardille and newey come into play

[KimiRai]

It will be a very long winter if Aston Martin reverted to the AMR23 design with a shift back to a pull-rod rear suspension, compared to the AMR24’s push-rod setup. This mean that they will also change Chassis Design, Rear Suspension Structure and Floor Design.

i said for 1.5 years they should have gone back to bahrain 23 spec and worked from there. honestly 2025 is a year where i'm not particularly bothered where they finish.

I don't think Nugnes meant going back to the exact same AMR23 design in the article . Rather he probably means returning to a philosophy catered to low speed corners similar to the AMR23. At least that's how I interpreted it.

[Nikosar]

Could be the "technical reset" Mike Krack was talking about months ago. How far they will go back, we will never know.

Could be the AMR23 Brazil 2023 or it could be Bahrein 2023 ( At the time Alonso said to the team "do not touch the car from Bahrein 2023 to Monaco 2023).

[diffuser]

Ma fra l’oggi deludente e un 2026 che si prospetta fulgido ci sarà un 2025 ricco di incognite: Dan Fallows è stato messo da parte, ma toccherà a Luca Furbatto, CTO di Silverstone, curare la parte meccanica della AMR25, mentre l’aerodinamica resta nelle mani di Blandin.

Obiettivo? Fare un passo indietro: abbandonare la filosofia aero 2024, tornando ai concetti di una macchina che in versione “low speed” aveva acceso molte speranze. E potrebbe essere la prima ripartenza…

Aston will return to AMR23 concept to AMR25...

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10673993/

Quali 2024 for Japan(05 - 07 Apr 2024 Suzuka Circuit, Suzuka), Alonso did a 1:28.686.
Quali 2023 for Japan(22 - 24 Sep 2023 Suzuka Circuit, Suzuka), Alonso did a 1:30.560.

Ain't no way they're going back to a car that is over 2 seconds slower a lap.


What I have noticed is that RBR20 readopted the under the side pod kick out that the AMR23 had ....


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What's more likely to happen, once they figure out what gave them the better low speed traction, is bring back that AMR23 feature. Maybe the kick out plays a part maybe it doesn't.