2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[f1isgood]

Okay, on a serious note, I am really surprised by what the team cooked in the last few hours. This amount of performance shift is insane.

I was lulled into thinking like this after the Q in spa, where Max was on pole by an insane margin (0.5+ s, iirc). That too was a case of terrible FP setup, then some homework and revamping of the car before Q. Helmut Marko even said the changes were for race pace. Then we saw what happened in the race, it was terrible.
On the evidence of that, I would take this pole with a pinch of salt, and will believe that Redbull fixed their car, only on race pace data.

Btw, Christian Horner mentioned that they fixed the car for T1, T4 and T16 , but the fastest lap data shows that T16 is still not great, in comparison with the other three teams - Max is slower 8-12kph through the corner - the most important corner of the race, leading into the straight, which is the only overtaking place here.

As the wonderful chart above this post shows, T14 and T15 are super critical for Max, if he has to absorb the losses from T16 and not lose much through the straight.

Actually the race was quite okay in Spa. The car would have won without the grid penalty there. In fact I'd argue Merc/RB/McL could have all won the race. Max did the best he could and focused on what was important for the title though.

I was expecting something similar to Spa but the FIA's new decision might screw it up tomorrow. Hope Max sends it tomorrow and is leading after T1.

[Paa]

Hope Max sends it tomorrow and is leading after T1.

Dirty side was a really big disadvantage at the sprint start. Even if George messes up his start somehow, Max will be still very vulnerable to Lando starting from 3rd.

[f1isgood]

Hope Max sends it tomorrow and is leading after T1.

Dirty side was a really big disadvantage at the sprint start. Even if George messes up his start somehow, Max will be still very vulnerable to Lando starting from 3rd.

Yeah but I can hope I guess. At least hope Red Bull protests this. The stewards admit to inventing a new penalty because they wanted to in a way because the explanation is somehow the 3 place grid penalty is mitigated. But then they also say it applies if Russell was on a push-lap. Terrible really.

[f1isgood]

The document hardly seems to explain the reason well

This is a brand new precedent. Let me guess.. They'll never give another grid penalty for this

https://i.imgur.com/LoCLzUj.jpeg

The document is a joke.

It says unusually incident occurs when neither driver was on a push lap and if GR was on a push lap it's a 3 place grid, which we can all agree to. But then somehow since GR saw Max, it mitigates this penalty apparently. But the penalty doesn't even apply in this case(do they even realize the idiocy?).

For a non-existent penalty, they came up with a lenient version. Joke.

[langedweil]

See if he can take P1 at T1, else retire the car before the end of the lap. Preferably in the last corner faking an issue causing a SC.
Or just drive into the pits ..

Yuck Fou

[Espresso]

Sadly, another be expected with Connelly as race steward ‘creativity’ penalty to driver he don’t like…
When do they finally clean up the stewards pool with a consistent and non-biased pool of stewards?

This “every race has different decisions/interpretations” at the pinnacle of Motorsport is the biggest joke…

On the positive side… another good motivational for Max.

[organic]

On the positive side… another good motivational for Max.

Hopefully he's fired up

[TeamKoolGreen]

If Checo keeps his ride next year , it will be the biggest dereliction of merit in pro sport history.

[Dee]

Anyone else concerned about how long this took to come out, have a bad feeling a certain FIA president could be intervening again, just like he did with the community service.

[Matt2725]

Sadly, another be expected with Connelly as race steward ‘creativity’ penalty to driver he don’t like…
When do they finally clean up the stewards pool with a consistent and non-biased pool of stewards?

This “every race has different decisions/interpretations” at the pinnacle of Motorsport is the biggest joke…

On the positive side… another good motivational for Max.

Derek Warwick is a duty this weekend as well and he's about as pro Max as they get in the stewards room.
It's general FIA incompetence more than anything.

[Dee]

Sadly, another be expected with Connelly as race steward ‘creativity’ penalty to driver he don’t like…
When do they finally clean up the stewards pool with a consistent and non-biased pool of stewards?

This “every race has different decisions/interpretations” at the pinnacle of Motorsport is the biggest joke…

On the positive side… another good motivational for Max.

Derek Warwick is a duty this weekend as well and he's about as pro Max as they get in the stewards room.
It's general FIA incompetence more than anything.

Please explain why Warwick who said he hoped Lewis would win against Rosberg while being a steward that same year would be pro Max? I say this because I see people bring up what Warwick said about Max out of context again and again as some sort of gotcha moment.

[venkyhere]

This is what happens when a clever diplomatic lawyer and a blunt hitman are called to argue their side of a case in front of a new judge who feels lucky to be there, and is eager to impress the world by 'clever interpretation' of a non existing law

[lio007]

This is what happens when a clever diplomatic lawyer and a blunt hitman are called to argue their side of a case in front of a new judge who feels lucky to be there, and is eager to impress the world by 'clever interpretation' of a non existing law

Do you mean Rui Marques? If it's the case: the race director just refer incidents to the stewards. He's not involved in the decision making of the outcome.

[Edax]

Just curious how are they going to deal with the pole trophy?

I get this vision of the FiA knocking on Russels door delivering the trophy with Verstappens name on it. “Yeah just take some whiteout and scribble your own name on it, it’ll be fine.”

There also must be some lifetime achievement in there, the amount of trophies verstappen had to hand back by now; I can’t think of any driver that would come anywhere close.

If not that, than surely rules that have been invented specifically for him would qualify.

[Farnborough]

GR seems to be making habit of frightening himself off the road when approaching another car that he can clearly see, however much he may disagree with the pace or trajectory of that "target" car. Last time even tipping himself over, vary careless is would appear

This has a taste of LH penalty in Belgium against the Ferrais years ago, when he had to give a place back and then judged to have impinged on some rule or other that nobody had previously considered.