2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Nikosar]

There is no evidence if the next car will be fast or slow, off-season development wasn’t that bad.
It’s the end off the regs circle, the top teams won’t find a lot of lap time.
Noone knows how much Newey is already involved in the background. He can advice AMR for sure how to avoid bottoming.
Their Melbourne car will be fully developed in the Mercedes‘ tunnel until Christmas, but everything after that will benefit from the new tunnel. Maybe their Imola update once works…

Alonso said that Newey's first influence will be for 2026 car. He is no longer part of RB Formula One team but still works the Red Bull 17 hypercar. I do not know why every time people keep saying that Newey is passing secretly information.

Haas proved that with limited resources they can produce a car that can fight for points. Alpine also proved that there is no need for a new wind tunnel that "look like start wars" or new simulator, or even having Newey. Alonso on today's Alpine without that PU deficit he would fight for world title.

Aston must cook something during this winter and also for 2026. They took two years of learning and gathering data, no more excuses.

[-wkst-]

There is no evidence if the next car will be fast or slow, off-season development wasn’t that bad.
It’s the end off the regs circle, the top teams won’t find a lot of lap time.
Noone knows how much Newey is already involved in the background. He can advice AMR for sure how to avoid bottoming.
Their Melbourne car will be fully developed in the Mercedes‘ tunnel until Christmas, but everything after that will benefit from the new tunnel. Maybe their Imola update once works…

Alonso said that Newey's first influence will be for 2026 car. He is no longer part of RB Formula One team but still works the Red Bull 17 hypercar. I do not know why every time people keep saying that Newey is passing secretly information.

Haas proved that with limited resources they can produce a car that can fight for points. Alpine also proved that there is no need for a new wind tunnel that "look like start wars" or new simulator, or even having Newey. Alonso on today's Alpine without that PU deficit he would fight for world title.

Aston must cook something during this winter and also for 2026. They took two years of learning and gathering data, no more excuses.

ALO has said a lot of things, not always predicting the (near) future correctly („last race without a podium“). He simply can not say publicly that Newey will think about the 2025 car too.

Newey doesn’t work for the hypercar anymore, only until autumn, now he is on gardening leave. Everything else is corporate Blabla. Schmidt (AMuS), who revealed the departure, already said in April that he works until September on the hypercar. After his presentation he said that he is looking forward for holidays with his wife, after some busy weeks and months. But I doubt he is traveling until March…

Let’s wait what AMR does, maybe a switch to pull rod front suspension for example. Flexi Wing Saga will be important too to be on the limit. Tyre wear very important and finally develop a useable DF floor…

[Rushu]

Stroll scored 0 pts since the summer break?

[Sherrinford]

This was thier problem:

		                                     2023	    2024	    Diff
Pierre Gasly	Alpine Renault	                1:24.548	1:22.984	00:01.56
Nico Hulkenberg	Haas Ferrari	                1:24.108	1:22.886	00:01.22
Lando Norris	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.816	1:22.595	00:01.22
Oscar Piastri	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.782	1:22.804	00:00.98
Sergio Perez	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:24.171	1:23.264	00:00.91
Fernando Alonso	Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes	1:24.084	1:23.196	00:00.89
Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	                        1:23.584	1:22.824	00:00.76
George Russell	Mercedes	                1:23.788	1:23.132	00:00.66
Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri Honda RBPT	        1:23.968	1:23.419	00:00.55
Max Verstappen	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:23.445	1:22.945	00:00.50

Then there is their tire usage, which a good part of the problem is related to them being slow out of the corners.

It makes no sense to look at the fastest laps for me, or at least up to a certain point. If you take the race pace data you can already make a great comparison. Es. Alonso in Hungary did a better qualifying lap than Verstappen 2023, but as for max race pace he was clearly superior, so amr24< rb19

[diffuser]

This was thier problem:

		                                     2023	    2024	    Diff
Pierre Gasly	Alpine Renault	                1:24.548	1:22.984	00:01.56
Nico Hulkenberg	Haas Ferrari	                1:24.108	1:22.886	00:01.22
Lando Norris	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.816	1:22.595	00:01.22
Oscar Piastri	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.782	1:22.804	00:00.98
Sergio Perez	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:24.171	1:23.264	00:00.91
Fernando Alonso	Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes	1:24.084	1:23.196	00:00.89
Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	                        1:23.584	1:22.824	00:00.76
George Russell	Mercedes	                1:23.788	1:23.132	00:00.66
Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri Honda RBPT	        1:23.968	1:23.419	00:00.55
Max Verstappen	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:23.445	1:22.945	00:00.50

Then there is their tire usage, which a good part of the problem is related to them being slow out of the corners.

It makes no sense to look at the fastest laps for me, or at least up to a certain point. If you take the race pace data you can already make a great comparison. Es. Alonso in Hungary did a better qualifying lap than Verstappen 2023, but as for max race pace he was clearly superior, so amr24< rb19

Problem with race pace as data is you never know how much coasting is going on. Take todays race, since Alonso was not able to put pressure on Hulk, you don't know how much extra pace Hulk had. Also, Alonso was doing just enough to stay ahead of Piasti. You don't know for sure if had any more in hand. it's pretty useless from that perspective.

[diffuser]

Stroll scored 0 pts since the summer break?

He hasn't scored a point since Hungary. You can even argue that he didn't deserve that point. That was the race that they brought Alonso in early to cover Hulk and left Stroll to continue on, even though Stroll was behind Alonso at the time.

[Rikrikrik]

After 2023 and 2024 completed we have a obvious conclusion. Fallows simply arrived in AM with the RBR concept, copied that style and after that they never can put any single ideia by themself and improve the car. When they tried make this ( this year) the car is better than 2023 in pure speed, but, disgraceful in every other aspect. I hope so AMR25 will be better with the Bob Bell in the front.

[peewon]

After 2023 and 2024 completed we have a obvious conclusion. Fallows simply arrived in AM with the RBR concept, copied that style and after that they never can put any single ideia by themself and improve the car. When they tried make this ( this year) the car is better than 2023 in pure speed, but, disgraceful in every other aspect. I hope so AMR25 will be better with the Bob Bell in the front.

I dont know about that. I think its possible Fallows is a good aerodynamicist but lacks the experience with underbody downforce concepts as the primary area of focus. Many teams have struggled and said that these cars are extremely sensitive to small changes in variables like ride height, etc. The wind tunnel correlation issues also complicate matters further.

[KimiRai]

Alonso has confirmed Cardile will be joining AM in January.

[-wkst-]

ORF asked Marko why RBR has fallen behind:

He told that they had out of nowhere correlaton issues, making the working window of the car very small and then he said (without being asked) that it hurt a lot that the "design guru" and "mythos" Adrian Newey wasn't around anymore. Als mentioned Marshall afterwards.

Together with the answer of Wolff (he admitted that Mercedes simply don't understand (fully) the interaction between aero, mechanical df and tyres) Newey will be worth his money, as it seems that he is one of the few guys who understands these interactions.

Furthermore what Wolff said sounds so familiar to AMR:

"We find 2 tenths DF with the underfloor, but on track you can't drive it because the DF tears off when the car starts to bounce, even when it bounces only a little bit and this leads also to overheated tyres."

"One race you hit this window, everything is perfect. The next race you doesn't change anything, but you are nowhere".

[zoroastar]

There is no evidence if the next car will be fast or slow, off-season development wasn’t that bad.
It’s the end off the regs circle, the top teams won’t find a lot of lap time.
Noone knows how much Newey is already involved in the background. He can advice AMR for sure how to avoid bottoming.
Their Melbourne car will be fully developed in the Mercedes‘ tunnel until Christmas, but everything after that will benefit from the new tunnel. Maybe their Imola update once works…

Alonso said that Newey's first influence will be for 2026 car. He is no longer part of RB Formula One team but still works the Red Bull 17 hypercar. I do not know why every time people keep saying that Newey is passing secretly information.

people are hopeful haha. and the only reason that he wouldnt be sharing information is if hes in need of a very well deserved vacation, and told no one to bother him until his gardening is up. thats entirely possible. but we also know that hes a very competitive and detail oriented guy that probably wants things to be in some sort of order before he actually comes to the office. and newey has been on the cutting edge of "pushing legal boundaries" for years, just like any successful car designer in f1 is. i wouldnt be suprised if alonso texts him from time to time and happens to casually bring up different settup challenges while they talk about good vacation spots either haha

[KimiRai]

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[Nikosar]

This was thier problem:

		                                     2023	    2024	    Diff
Pierre Gasly	Alpine Renault	                1:24.548	1:22.984	00:01.56
Nico Hulkenberg	Haas Ferrari	                1:24.108	1:22.886	00:01.22
Lando Norris	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.816	1:22.595	00:01.22
Oscar Piastri	McLaren Mercedes	        1:23.782	1:22.804	00:00.98
Sergio Perez	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:24.171	1:23.264	00:00.91
Fernando Alonso	Aston Martin Aramco Mercedes	1:24.084	1:23.196	00:00.89
Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	                        1:23.584	1:22.824	00:00.76
George Russell	Mercedes	                1:23.788	1:23.132	00:00.66
Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri Honda RBPT	        1:23.968	1:23.419	00:00.55
Max Verstappen	Red Bull Racing Honda RBPT	1:23.445	1:22.945	00:00.50

Then there is their tire usage, which a good part of the problem is related to them being slow out of the corners.

It makes no sense to look at the fastest laps for me, or at least up to a certain point. If you take the race pace data you can already make a great comparison. Es. Alonso in Hungary did a better qualifying lap than Verstappen 2023, but as for max race pace he was clearly superior, so amr24< rb19

In the post race interview they confirmed the high deg problem. Hence they had to 2 pit stops. The AMR24 suffered from high deg in almost all the tracks.

Also Alonso mentioned “it will be reset” so the going back to the AM23 car concept seems more realistic for Aston and develop it through the winter break.

[KimiRai]

Aston Martin signed McLaren simulator driver Daniel Juncadella.

Afaik he worked for McLaren just before this so he will have previous experience on their sim (I imagine he stopped working for them), he's good. Previously on a podcast he said Newey will not cheat the gardening leave and give AM info, if I remember correctly because he doesn't want to help people in the technical team who don't deserve it and wants to see them perform (or not) on their own

From October but now relevant:

I am not so convinced that the current personal at the factory knows exactly what route to go.

McLaren simulator driver Daniel Juncadella said Newey doesn't understand what Aston is doing either

[SSJ4]

2025 will be interesting cos we pretty much ended the this season as 7th fastest team. will be amazed to see us challenge top 4 teams in 2025