McLaren MCL39

[trinidefender]

i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter

Everyone seems to be fixated on the aero effect of the top rear wishbone being so low but what is really in play is that the engineers have put a ton of anti-dive geometry. This will affect the tunnels far more than the aero effect of the lowered mounting point.

Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.

You can’t judge anti-dive from the top wishbone alone. You have to look at it in relation to the bottom wishbone. If you look you’ll see they moved the back arm of the bottom wishbone down as well. The overall anti-dive effect of the suspension might not be as large as it may first appear looking at the change in top wishbone.

[gcdugas]

i would encourage you to go back in this thread and read some older posts, and not believe all you read in twitter

Yes f1rules, you are right but as soon as I say that, another comes along and proves my assertion as well. Case and point... the post from CjC at Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13

I was trying to redirect the conversation back to the substantive reason for the rear mount position of the top wishbone. It's not just about "not believing all you read in twitter". It's right here on this thread.

You can’t judge anti-dive from the top wishbone alone. You have to look at it in relation to the bottom wishbone. If you look you’ll see they moved the back arm of the bottom wishbone down as well. The overall anti-dive effect of the suspension might not be as large as it may first appear looking at the change in top wishbone.

Oh yes. It looks like the front lower wishbone mount is higher than usual which results in a less anti-dive effect.

[mzso]

What were they using on the F1 75 live event with that huge bathtub?

[CjC]

Some interesting thoughts regarding McLarens latest suspension design and how it will interact with the flexi wing ban.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... te-u-turn/

[CjC]

What were they using on the F1 75 live event with that huge bathtub?

It was the 2023 car

[mwillems]

I'm still very interested to see a good side profile of the car next to the 38. You can't tell fully, but some of the image seem to suggest the wheel is placed slightly more forward of the suspension and that the wheel is being "leaned" upon a little more.

I'm also curious to see if the front wheel is not a little further away from the sidepods or the suspension mounted a little further back on the chassis.

[mwillems]

Anyone seen this before?

The MCL39 is at the minimum weight for these regs and have been for a few years.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ification/

[Macklaren]

Anyone seen this before?

The MCL39 is at the minimum weight for these regs and have been for a few years.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ification/

so you're telling me all this black in the livery is a CHOICE?

[the EDGE]

Anyone seen this before?

The MCL39 is at the minimum weight for these regs and have been for a few years.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ification/

so you're telling me all this black in the livery is a CHOICE?

The short answer is yes, even Alpine and Williams are now hitting the minimum weight limit.

That said, teams ideally want to be well under the minimum weight limit, which allows them to use ballast to balance the car according to the circuit

So how much under the weight limit is a question which we will never know the answer to, but either way, I’m sure there is enough in it to allow them to wrap the whole car if they chose to

[Slahinki]

Anyone seen this before?

The MCL39 is at the minimum weight for these regs and have been for a few years.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ification/

so you're telling me all this black in the livery is a CHOICE?

The short answer is yes, even Alpine and Williams are now hitting the minimum weight limit.

That said, teams ideally want to be well under the minimum weight limit, which allows them to use ballast to balance the car according to the circuit

So how much under the weight limit is a question which we will never know the answer to, but either way, I’m sure there is enough in it to allow them to wrap the whole car if they chose to

As we've seen them do with their special liveries.

[CjC]

Anyone seen this before?

The MCL39 is at the minimum weight for these regs and have been for a few years.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/formula- ... ification/

so you're telling me all this black in the livery is a CHOICE?

The short answer is yes, even Alpine and Williams are now hitting the minimum weight limit.

That said, teams ideally want to be well under the minimum weight limit, which allows them to use ballast to balance the car according to the circuit

So how much under the weight limit is a question which we will never know the answer to, but either way, I’m sure there is enough in it to allow them to wrap the whole car if they chose to

I said something similar last week, in the team thread I believe.

Mclaren are choosing to have minimal paint for more ballast for maximum performance- which I’m totally happy with.

[mwillems]

They've been under for a while, including last year when the limit was 2kg less. I suspect they have more than enough for ballast. The idea that this amount of bare carbon is not for weight saving is shocking but seemingly true.

But at least it's official and not under any doubt.

[CjC]

They've been under for a while, including last year when the limit was 2kg less. I suspect they have more than enough for ballast. The idea that this amount of bare carbon is not for weight saving is shocking but seemingly true.

But at least it's official and not under any doubt.

It’s for 0.001 of a second in lap time

[Brahmal]

I wish they'd just make a minimum decal weight, to encourage full coverage.

[BassVirolla]

Given the rules about weight distribution between axles, the CoG is quite limited in location.

The amount of ballast which makes sense for setup is very restricted.

Nevertheless, it would be possible to fit ballast under the CoG to get it even lower, while not moving it forward nor rearward.