2006 2.4 liter v-8 engine only formula

[Steven]

what I really don't like about this all is the 90° V-angle... now we had an innovative engine supplier again with 111° and 72° (I know the latter isn't really innovative, but anyway unconvetional) that may be forbidden again.

I'm getting bored with this engine thing, I'm surprised Mosely didn't already suggest a 3 cylinder engine

[bcsolutions]

Perhaps Max should design the engines himself, come to think of it he already has, what next? The whole car?

[DaveKillens]

what I really don't like about this all is the 90° V-angle... now we had an innovative engine supplier again with 111° and 72° (I know the latter isn't really innovative, but anyway unconvetional) that may be forbidden again.

I agree, the rules are really beginning to hinder any real innovation. The only true innovations I can see are materials. But even now, they are beginning to be regulated too.
Sadly, this is going in the same direction as NASCAR, basically a fixed formula, with everyone stuck with similar equipment. All they can do is refine, test, and refine.
Unless they completely re-write the rulebook, I fear we will never see any true innovation, like the Tyrell P34, or the Brabahm suction car. Imaginative engineers will move to endurance racing, or somewhere where the challenge is more than just refinement of a fixed design.

But fear not, those V-8's ought to sound just purdy.

[DaveKillens]

Max insists the V-8 rule will result in less costs....
But two of the major players say otherwise.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=81716
Mercedes and Honda say it will cost them more.

[Steven]

lol
Honda isn't really a team to speak out about that, they can't even manage their whole lot of money to make a powerful reliable engine

anyway, I agree with you Dave

[DaveKillens]

And Mercedes must have spent a lump of money to cure their own shoddy record of reliability.

double lol

Nonetheless, they are two major auto manufacturers, and if those kind of people don't like the rules, it just adds fuel to the fire in the saga of GPWC vs Bernie.

[riff_raff]

Keith Duckworth (of Cosworth) had the best concept for race engine regulations. There is only one engine rule: you have to use a spec fuel and a spec fuel mass flow regulator. Thus, if your spec race fuel has, say, 18,000 Btu/lb LHV, whoever designs an engine to use those Btu's most efficiently wins.

And here's a clue- a high revving engine is not an efficient engine. Remember the all-conquering turbo V8 Mercedes C9 at Le Mans in '88 and '89, running at 4000 or 5000 rpm?

I must be honest though, it is sort of thrilling listening to JPM bang his Williams-BMW up through the gears at 18,000 rpm!

Terry

[onepercent]

I have no problem with the V8 configuration. In my mind limiting displacement and/or cylinders allowed is the least restrictive way of slowing speeds without stagnating technical inovation. What I think should be reconsidered are other engine design restrictions (forced induction, valve limits, metalurgy & materials limitations, etc) and aero restrictions. Now, I know that a large reason for the move to V8's was cost consideration, but to me F1 should be concerned more with keeping itself at the top of the technical heap in racing.

[abisec]

yeah mates.....guess you would have heard of honda's pace at mugello......they posted much faster times than shumi's and rubino's ferrari's......so all is not lost as yet....but the worst case scenario would be like half the way into the season max decides that this "cost reduction" exercise is not working.....teams would have spent 1 whole seasons resources....! btw minardi has struck a deal with cosworth for '06 v10 enginesand guess they will be using them with rev limiters.

[riff_raff]

The new chairman of Renault doesn't seem to see the value in spending 10's of millions of dollars in F1:

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14928.html

[manchild]

Will it be allowed for teams to switch from V8 to V10 and back during the season?

This is what made me think about that:

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=25888

Perhaps on slow circuits like Monaco and Hungaroring more elasticity and torque of V10 will put V8's in shade?
....
Regarding Ghosn's comments about racing, he should check out the number of cars Renault sold this year... "Win on Sunday sell on Monday" always worked and it still does.

[Guest]

Why does a V8 vibrate more than a V10 ?

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[robAP]

looking at the regs posted on page 1 of the thread.

"5.1.5
Engines may must have no more than 5 valves two inlet
and two exhaust valves per cylinder all of which must be
circular.
..."

i would guess by the punctuation and grammar used that the fifth valve may be other than circular, and could be something other than intake or exhaust....(whatever the hell that could ever be i dont know)...but its something to try to exploit.

so i go along with the others on this. its too bad that theyre limiting cylinder arrangement...and cylinder bank angle most of all! thats where we saw the most radical experimentation of the last few years...111 deg? wow. but nope...cant even do that anymore. i would like to have seen VW do a 15 deg. layed over v8 or something. theres all kinds of configurations. an 8 cylinder will be much shorter and you just might be abel to make a flat-8 fit! but there will be no experimenting anymore. Personally, i woudl like to see different displacements for the diffferent # of cylinders. 1.8l v12's, 2.2lv10's, 2.5l v8's....etc. might equalize any benefits and allow alot of experimentation?...its just a thought.

-pardon my typos

[wowf1]

Minardi are using V10s? I'm surprised they've got the available funds to buy the extra 2 cylinders

Seriously though, if Minardi next year are Red Bull2, will they not use the same chassis as Red Bull1? Or is this prohibited? ie. they'll have to stick some spare engineers in at Minardi and redo this years Minardi chassis?

I'm just thinking thats its not very commercially neat to have Red Bull-Ferrari V8s, and Red Bull-Cosworth V10s.

[Guest]

Isnt there anybody that can explain why a V8 generates more vibration than a V10 ?

As a softwareengineeringstudent I dont really know much about the mechanicalside of a racecar.

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