Arrows A24 Chassis

panda · Post 23 Dec 2005, 06:17

Hi,
I was wondering if anybody has a picture or could get their hands on the design files/ pictures of the Arrows chassis number a24. Because there is really nothing on it except that the newest Formula one team Super Argui is thinking of using the chassis. So I want to know what it looks like since there is nothing on this so called phantom chassis. Thank you so much in advance. If you can get the pictures it is ok atleast get some specs on it that is good too.

Guest · Post 23 Dec 2005, 12:20

it's a23 not a24

scarbs · Post 23 Dec 2005, 14:10

Heres a quick scan through my archive of my photograohs and sketches.

http://www.scarbsf1.com/arrows/Arrows.htm

As much as the A23 was one of my favourite cars, I dont see how its possible for it to return as a Super Aguri in 2006....

Scarbs

panda · Post 23 Dec 2005, 23:02

well thanks but I was wondering what the Arrows A24 look like and I didn't know that Super Argui confirm the fact that are using the a23. If any one happens to have photos of the a24 can you please share thxs so much.

manchild · Post 24 Dec 2005, 06:12

If I recall right, Minardi was using Arrows chassis/car in 2004 at least during one Friday practice together with their car. The question is whether this Arrows chassis was something developed and produced after A23 and before team disappeared or was Minardi using A23 car?

johny · Post 24 Dec 2005, 12:26

if i'm right it was a23 chassis, the last one arrows built so we could have an idea of how outpaced superaguri will be

scarbs · Post 24 Dec 2005, 18:11

There were no Arrow chassis after the one I pictured, the team folded later that year and Paul Stoddart bought the cars and the inteleectual property. Stoddart reckoned the Arrows was ahead of the Minardi in several key design areas and it also used the same engine. the team tested both chassis back to back but found the current Minardi as fast as the Arrows. the Minardi badged arrows never arrived at a race weekend and I recall Stoddart sold more of the chassis off at one of his auctions. these chassis are often raised when a team needs a new car quickly, they woudl not meet current safety regs, plus they woudl need a new rear bulkhead and cooling system to match the new engine, i doubt the gearbox woudl fit either and lastly the aero is now way out of date and not matching the durrent rules, this whole story seems a non starter to me.

DaveKillens · Post 28 Dec 2005, 19:06

I guess that since Honda just can't hand over a few BAR chassis, Argui has to source his own chassis. And since he's operating with little time to spare, he just needed some chassis that met the legal requirements. Under the circumstances, this is the best scenario he can get for '06.
But the Arrows was slow back when it was "current". So with a definitely outdated chassis and limited time, only Midland fear finishing worse.
I do however, expect big changes if Argui does have the support of Honda and survives a season. In this day and age, I don't think Argui is in the same scenario as Jordan or Minardi, but rather with the full might and backing of Honda. The first real Argui will be much quicker.

dumrick · Post 29 Dec 2005, 04:19

Quote from the OFFICIAL F1 Website, concerning Super Aguri chassis:

"Aguri's cars will initially be based on Arrow's unraced A23 chassis, which was previously owned by Minardi, with power supplied by customer Honda engines. An all-new car will subsequently be introduced. Takuma Sato is expected to be confirmed as the team's principal driver within the next week or so."

How can it be possible for someone who's a writer for F1.com to write such bull***t?? Either he is not talking about the A23 or it has been raced for a full season!!!!
Scarbs questions are pertinent, this chassis cannot surely meet the latest crash-test regulations... and tweaked to receive an Honda V8 engine and meet the latest body configuration regulations... they will surely be waaaaayy out of pace. Furthermore, they will have to learn out to setup an outdated chassis, before having a new (most surely completely different one) on course of the season...

Guest · Post 29 Dec 2005, 05:19

Is there anything preventing Aguri from using this years Honda chassi or even next years Honda chassi as a base for his own chassi ?

This years Honda was not the fastest but it certainly wasnt the slowest either.

/ Fx

Guest · Post 29 Dec 2005, 11:27

Anonymous wrote:Is there anything preventing Aguri from using this years Honda chassi or even next years Honda chassi as a base for his own chassi ?

This years Honda was not the fastest but it certainly wasnt the slowest either.

/ Fx

That is not allowed by the FIA. Aguri can not use the old BAR 007, beceause each team most build his own chassis. The same by torro rosso the wont to drive with the RB1 but thats against the rules. Mayby in 2008 it wil by allowed.

Monstrobolaxa · Post 30 Dec 2005, 05:06

dumrick wrote:Quote from the OFFICIAL F1 Website, concerning Super Aguri chassis:

"Aguri's cars will initially be based on Arrow's unraced A23 chassis, which was previously owned by Minardi, with power supplied by customer Honda engines. An all-new car will subsequently be introduced. Takuma Sato is expected to be confirmed as the team's principal driver within the next week or so."

How can it be possible for someone who's a writer for F1.com to write such bull***t?? Either he is not talking about the A23 or it has been raced for a full season!!!!
Scarbs questions are pertinent, this chassis cannot surely meet the latest crash-test regulations... and tweaked to receive an Honda V8 engine and meet the latest body configuration regulations... they will surely be waaaaayy out of pace. Furthermore, they will have to learn out to setup an outdated chassis, before having a new (most surely completely different one) on course of the season...

The F1.com article might not be totally wrong! Paul Stodart also bought all the tech material and moulds for the bodywork....so technically they can be non-raced chassis....the team might be building new ones!

Concerning the crash-test...there were 4 A23 chassis built (if I'm not mistaken....at least I think that was the number that was mentioned at both the Arrows and later at the Minardi auction....probably these ones wouldn't pass the FIA crash tests....but using the moulds and building new ones mught cure the problem! Simply by working with the composite orientations....

I really doupt that they'll be using the chassis built by Arrows...IMO they'll build new ones!

jezzwa · Post 02 Jan 2006, 14:34

i really don't know why they are bothering entering into 2006, there is not enough time to design their own chassis and if they use the old Arrows they will almost defintely be dead last, why not just wait till 2007 and make a proper attempt at f1?

Guest · Post 02 Jan 2006, 15:25

They cant race the BAR 007 chassi but theres nothing preventing them from using Hondas designs as a base for the their own designs. Something tells me that Aguris cars will look alot like the Hondas in 2006.

/ Fx

DaveKillens · Post 02 Jan 2006, 15:25

jezzwa wrote:i really don't know why they are bothering entering into 2006, there is not enough time to design their own chassis and if they use the old Arrows they will almost defintely be dead last, why not just wait till 2007 and make a proper attempt at f1?

I was wondering the same, but I guess there is a lot going on behind the scenes. Arguri most definitely has Honda backing him, as well as Bernie.
It's a rare time when a completely new and inexperienced team shows up with such a lack of preparation. They had trouble with the FIA paperwork, most likely payment of fees, and of course, the car itself.
I can't remember the last time a team showed up in such a shoddy manner.
That being said, jumping into the deep end of the pool will force Arguri and his mates to learn to swim very quickly. I don't wish them misfortune, but based on their performance so far, they don't impress me a bit.