Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

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andrew wrote:But Button chose to stop for slicks. Whitmarsh has given Button all of the credit. So Hamilton could have made a call on tyres, he didn't so the team had to do it for him and things didn't work out. Instead of taking the view of a mature professional racer he acts like a spoilt brat over the radio.

I am fully aware of the driver and engineer relatationship and rule so I don't need to be patronised, thank you.

Hamilton did pleanty wrong in the race. He didn't make the right call on tyres (eventhough his teammate did), he burned up his tyres and when he couldn't get past Webber, he made a desperate move and rammed Webber off the track. Truely a drive of a champion(!). Worst thing is, Hamilton looses one place and Webber ends up 9th. Not exactly fair.
He rammed Webber of the track? Goes to show the warped perception that people have. I rest my case. Did you watch the race? Where did you see him ram webber of the track? Are you referring to Webber running wide? Listen, if anyone doesn't like him because he has a big mouth that is perfectly fine. I find his comments irritating at times. My concern is many can't seperate that from his on the track action. You are one of many like that.

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Hamilton's tyres were not burned out for crying out loud. Whitmarsh just made a bad decision. He just thought the Ferraris and Renault were going to pit that's all.
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rifrafs2kees wrote:
andrew wrote:But Button chose to stop for slicks. Whitmarsh has given Button all of the credit. So Hamilton could have made a call on tyres, he didn't so the team had to do it for him and things didn't work out. Instead of taking the view of a mature professional racer he acts like a spoilt brat over the radio.

I am fully aware of the driver and engineer relatationship and rule so I don't need to be patronised, thank you.

Hamilton did pleanty wrong in the race. He didn't make the right call on tyres (eventhough his teammate did), he burned up his tyres and when he couldn't get past Webber, he made a desperate move and rammed Webber off the track. Truely a drive of a champion(!). Worst thing is, Hamilton looses one place and Webber ends up 9th. Not exactly fair.
He rammed Webber of the track? Goes to show the warped perception that people have. I rest my case. Did you watch the race? Where did you see him ram webber of the track? Are you referring to Webber running wide? Listen, if anyone doesn't like him because he has a big mouth that is perfectly fine. I find his comments irritating at times. My concern is many can't seperate that from his on the track action. You are one of many like that.
WOW! Drug store psychology now! And just as inaccurate. Typical Hamilton fanboy - can't take any critisim of LH. My perception is not warped one little bit. LH went for a gap that wasn't there. I can seperate his on track actions and his off track big mouth and to be honest, I just don't think he is that good. It is a sign of a true great to see when you are beat and settle for the position you are in. LH does not have this ability.

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Did anyone notice that the RB had a new floor for this race. It now has no flickup on the outside edge. It's kind of funny because it was just a year ago that Newey debuted that idea and over the season EVERYONE copied it in one way or the other. Now RB are the first leave it behind.

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Maximum speeds:

Columns: Position by speed trap, Driver, Finish line speed, Gain after finish line, Speed trap, Speed trap difference, Time of day (GMT +1):
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ringo
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They are purposely saying those things. They secretly like Hamilton after today.
They use insults to snap them out of the drooling to keep themselves anti Hamilton.

Alonso made a wrong call as well, he was begging to come in, it was the team who kept him out.


but hey folks are envious of the BOSS, he is always at fault in their eyes. :roll:

Still doesn't change the fact he is best on the grid, and better than Shumacher too. :mrgreen:
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ringo wrote:Still doesn't change the fact he is best on the grid, and better than Shumacher too. :mrgreen:
what a joke! How do you actually quantify who is the best on the grid if I may ask?

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Sean H wrote:ultimately, LH cried like a baby on the radio when he realized he wasn't going to pass Fred, he knew it, the team knew it and Webber even knew it which is why he tried the dive at the end.
No shocking surprises here :D Thru his whole F1 carrier he had someone else (Macca) taking care for him and making the calls for him. No surprise he could not make a call himself, thou he is already in his 4th F1 year in a top team and he should have learned that. Actually, the only call he made himself was in the Hungary 2007 quali and we know what that call sparked :mrgreen:

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Ciro Pabón wrote:Please, DO NOT POST ANY MORE COMMENTS HERE ABOUT HOW THE CAR BEHAVED IN A RACE.
Comments about the race are for the race thread. How the car performed is a commentary about the car its development, reliability and other related factors.

There's no point in polluting a race thread about disparate comments on how the McLaren, Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari or anything else performed because you'll just get a huge uncohesive mess.
No, do not complain here. PM me.
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RacingManiac
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IMO it is driver's job to make the tire call. Only driver can feel how the car is doing, engineers just have the graphs and plots to work with. If the driver think he can manage, the driver ultimately overrules team's decision in tire choice. This is F1, not lower form openwheel cars when the driver's only been driving kart. Same thing when you decide whether you go for dry or wet. Hamilton have done this before(2007 China probably weigh in his mind somewhat). He needs to think for himself, he is the only person on the car and his butt is the only thing feels for himself as to what the car is doing.

Exciting race, lots of passes, and as usual weather is the real way to make racing exciting....Shame that Michael seems to have lost his touch for passes....he got stuck behind for too long...This race did a lot for me to raise JB's stock, great drive...

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volarchico
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andrew wrote: Hamilton did pleanty wrong in the race. He didn't make the right call on tyres (even though his teammate did), he burned up his tyres and when he couldn't get past Webber, turned in on Webber and took him out. Truely a drive of a champion(!). Worst thing is, Hamilton looses one place and Webber ends up 9th. Not exactly fair.
Umm, he was in front of Webber, so he didn't need to get past him anymore than he already had. And Webber running into the back of LH isn't exactly LH taking out anyone. Did you get to watch the race? LH tried to pass Alonso and probably would have made the move stick had he not been rammed from behind. Just watching scoring and timing, LH caught the Ferrari's by taking 2 seconds per lap from them and only once he got stuck in their dirty air was Webber even able to get close.

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Hey Guys,

Great race today! Really enjoyed it and I hope we get to see a lot more like it in 2010 (pray for rain eh?)

Here is a summary of my Driver Consistency analysis from my blog 'Making Up The Numbers'. If you want to read the full post then please click the link here: http://f1numbers.wordpress.com/2010/03/ ... australia/

It’s Driver Consistency time for the Australian Grand Prix – and what a race! It was action aplenty from the first corner, with wet weather causing crashes, overtaking, big strategy calls and an action-packed race

Before we start, if you’re new to this or need a reminder on how this analysis works, then check out my page on Driver Consistency Explained. Now to the graphs:

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The first thing of note is that you can see that the guys at the rear of the field are those who did not make it far in the race. You see this a lot in a wet-dry race where some guys retire early – they appear to be much slower than they are. This includes Vettel who retired before half distance.

On that note, the drivers who retired on the first lap have not been included, but I have also excluded Senna as he retired under the Safety Car.

The rest of the field appear to be very close in terms of lap time. However, I like to also remove the pit stop and Safety Car laps to ascertain who was fastest on average under pure racing conditions:

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Now things look a lot more interesting. We can see who was faster than their strategy entailed, because a lot of the ‘faster’ guys on average here are two-stoppers.

So what we see here is that while the two stop strategy was a little bit faster, even with shorter pit stop times due to lack of refuelling it’s better to try and save your tyres and stay out with one stop. It might well be that the two-stoppers also felt that they had to push a little bit harder to make up for the deficit, ruining their tyres?

Finally, let’s have a look at the fastest laps from today:

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So Webber got fastest lap then? Had he not fallen back at the start, or had got a better pit stop, maybe today could have gone better – or at least he could have avoided the kerfuffle at the end. It’s worth noting that Webber’s best result at his home Grand Prix is fifth, which I believe was in his debut Grand Prix for Minardi in 2002.

Also, note how the Mercedes were mighty quick today – even though Schumacher was stuck at the back for most of the race, he was still fourth fastest. But for a bit of bad luck, Schumacher could have really figured in today’s race. Also Rosberg too – I guess his excuse must have been the tyres going off…

Alonso and Massa did not look too quick today, but we know that their tyres were going off as the track improved. Also Vettel’s Fastest Lap was slower because of his early retirement, so don’t read too much into that…

One final comment is that in these sort of Wet/Dry races, the data gets a bit more skewed than usual, because of the constantly changing track conditions. So a pinch of salt should be taken when looking at the guys who didn’t make it to the end…

So that’s all from Melbourne then. I might have a look at the lap times of the McLarens versus the Ferraris if I have time this week – but I am on holiday this week so I am a little busy. Because I am away for the Malaysian Grand Prix, I will not be able to post my analyses until the week after the race. But never fear, they will appear though :)

I hope you enjoyed the race today – I thought it was an absolute blinder and I thought it had everything an F1 fan could ever want. I don’t think it answers the question of whether this year will be a good year or not, but if rain = awesome then I want to see every race a wet race ;)


Cheers,


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vall wrote:
ringo wrote:Still doesn't change the fact he is best on the grid, and better than Shumacher too. :mrgreen:
what a joke! How do you actually quantify who is the best on the grid if I may ask?
How do you quantify Hamilton ramming into Webber? :wink:
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somehow i don't think it was MW just name dropping. Something like shell have reportedly done for ferrari to enable better efficiency of the fuel.