Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

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dave34m wrote:



Fred is "Down"!!.......

I always thought he was gay!
That's not Fred!!!!!!
It is of course his evil twin ? :?

Bitches'!



Serves them right to suffa''''....!!!!!!!

....VVVVV
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On topic please?

And I thought you were past that random-video-in-each-post period of your life Tazio, please don't dissapoint me. :)


When the brakes start smoking like this without a proper cool down are they scrapped or can they be reused.?

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Vitaly in the kitty litter.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
Diesel wrote:Webber was driving like a rookie today - I'd argue he does most days!

The Red Bull is the same old same old - fast but just can't do the distance.

Alonso hearing about hamilton on the radio made me laugh "please, i don't want to know!"

Great race!
What must poor Seb Vettel do to win a race? This time it was a wheel coming loose probably due to a bearing or other component failure.

Alonso could have left a bit more room in turn one but it was really Button who could have made a big difference by braking as he should have. As it went Michael was the victim of that tussle. Alonso did a great job to recover from the end of the field and it was interesting to see that 0.7 s more race pace saw him cut through the back markers like a hot knife. Schumacher really struggled without sufficient speed to overtake Alguersuari.
Geez WB. What do you want every one to do? Oh lookout the holier than thou is racing again so we best behave on the track so he wont get caught up in our incidents. Didnt take you long to start bleeting. Not that i,m surprised. :roll:

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quality is not only component related it is as much process related.
looking at one car having the trouble and the other not ,it is prctically impossible that there is a systematic failure ,because either the system itself is ok for the application ,or it is not.
What is a variable in this is the people and processes that put together parts ,subassemblies and the complete car as well as the running of the car itself.
So obviously one has to look into those variables to spot where the different outcomes are stemming from -analyse the root of the problem....
It is obvious other teams do a much better work in this area of risk analysis and management...we have seen RB fiddling around niggling issues for quite a while now..
or is it still ok to assign dnf s towards bad luck? :shock:

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dave34m wrote:
autogyro wrote:I think Vettel in the RB has driven so far faultlessly.
If Webber can just settle down a bit and get a better handle on the car, they should be unbeatable.
The RB6 is a better car than the others at present and should remain so for next week.
Of course if it rains and if something else breaks who knows.
I agree, Red Bull is the best car by some way still. Webber is just not that good a driver IMO. He will do OK in a couple of races like last year but generally he will waste a great car
FiA communications wrote:2010 Australian Grand Prix
From The FIA Stewards of the Meeting To The Team Manager
Red Bull Racing
Document 42 Date 28 March 2010 Time 19:49
The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, have considered the following matter, determine a breach of the regulations has been commited by the competitor named below and impose the penalty referred to.
No / Driver Team Time Session Fact
Offence Penalty
6 - Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 18:34:00 Race
Caused a collision.
Involved in an incident as defined by Article 16.1 of the 2010 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations
Reprimand
The FIA Stewards of the Meeting
Paul Gutjahr Tom Kristensen
Gerd Ennser Steve Chopping
Webber is good at appearance and team politics. The way he plays at his native english speaker advantage with leading team personal like Newey gives him an advantage in the team. He also is a great sports man no doubt about that. But he isn't F1 world champion material. It begins with his physical size (too tall, too heavy) and continues with his lack of situational awareness. Another guy in the mold of DC whose sell by date is up. If he makes it to WDC honors it will be clearly by luck and not by talent.
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mr moda wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:
Diesel wrote:Webber was driving like a rookie today - I'd argue he does most days!

The Red Bull is the same old same old - fast but just can't do the distance.

Alonso hearing about hamilton on the radio made me laugh "please, i don't want to know!"

Great race!
What must poor Seb Vettel do to win a race? This time it was a wheel coming loose probably due to a bearing or other component failure.

Alonso could have left a bit more room in turn one but it was really Button who could have made a big difference by braking as he should have. As it went Michael was the victim of that tussle. Alonso did a great job to recover from the end of the field and it was interesting to see that 0.7 s more race pace saw him cut through the back markers like a hot knife. Schumacher really struggled without sufficient speed to overtake Alguersuari.
Geez WB. What do you want every one to do? Oh lookout the holier than thou is racing again so we best behave on the track so he wont get caught up in our incidents. Didnt take you long to start bleeting. Not that i,m surprised. :roll:
Geez Moda bub, what's wrong with my race comment? Are you trying to annoy everyone or was Webbo's chaos drive a bit indigestible? Attack the post, not the poster!
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THX for the info Pedro!
So, where are those ultra-fast stops everyone was promising?
Haven't seen any faster than 4.0 yet :roll:

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timbo wrote:THX for the info Pedro!
So, where are those ultra-fast stops everyone was promising?
Haven't seen any faster than 4.0 yet :roll:
Probably in the gym! 8) Horner said that their gym record is 1.8 sec! Wonder if he looked quite sober. :D

Looks like it is different in the race under pressure where everything must work fine to training on standing car.

But they did it under 4 sec in Bahrain:
http://f1news.cz/novinky/34239-kdo-prac ... jrychleji/
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I can´t see how the race pressure would slow you down...

really interesting is just how much time Schumacher lost in the pits..so compared to the other contenders ..it seems reasonable he should have been a lot further forward without the incident..his first tyre pitstop was also soooo slow...

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marcush. wrote:I can´t see how the race pressure would slow you down...

really interesting is just how much time Schumacher lost in the pits..so compared to the other contenders ..it seems reasonable he should have been a lot further forward without the incident..his first tyre pitstop was also soooo slow...
He changed front wing on his first stop.
But why he had such slow second stop I don't know. Maybe he had to let someone pass.

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timbo wrote: He changed front wing on his first stop.
But why he had such slow second stop I don't know. Maybe he had to let someone pass.
The second time he came directly behind Rosberg, his tyres weren't ready yet...

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http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... ys-vettel/

Well well well. It was a pit stop error that caused the problem. The wheel was not fitted correctly and damaged the brakes.

Lets get things straight - if you are going to make comments like "it was a brake disc failure caused by a third party" please cite your source. Thanks.

The problem Red Bull have got is that the RB6 might not be has far ahead of everyone else in a couple of races time - if McLaren perfect a ride height control system they might catch right up. Red Bull should have been bagging points now while they have the advantage.

Has anyone managed to find any decent images of the ride height adjustment? Is it a manual system, or is it some clever semi-auto system?

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Ganxxta wrote:
timbo wrote: He changed front wing on his first stop.
But why he had such slow second stop I don't know. Maybe he had to let someone pass.
The second time he came directly behind Rosberg, his tyres weren't ready yet...
Oh, I seem to remember now.

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Diesel wrote:http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-new ... ys-vettel/

Well well well. It was a pit stop error that caused the problem. The wheel was not fitted correctly and damaged the brakes.

Lets get things straight - if you are going to make comments like "it was a brake disc failure caused by a third party" please cite your source. Thanks.
Sorry Diesel but I fail to see how a loose wheel could have caused a brake failure. The wheel looked solid without any side movement and it did no lock up as far as I remember from the videos. If the wheel moved enough to break the drive pins it is possible but that was not visibly caused by any major wheel shimy. There was no sign of a disk explosion either.
Bottom mounted callipers would collect all the road rubbish and stones from a gravel trap as Giblet noted. I think this far more likely.
I expect to see a re-designed brake scoop next week and maybe an exit hole.
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