Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

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Mysticf1
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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Watching the incident last night you can clearly see his wheel wobbling before and during his off...Redbull are really cracking under the pressure of having a super fast car...they really need to look very closely at themselves, unless something changes soon they wont have a chance at the championship.

Autogyro watch the vid again, its clear as day.

autogyro
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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Mysticf1 wrote:Watching the incident last night you can clearly see his wheel wobbling before and during his off...Redbull are really cracking under the pressure of having a super fast car...they really need to look very closely at themselves, unless something changes soon they wont have a chance at the championship.

Autogyro watch the vid again, its clear as day.
I would if I could.

i70q7m7ghw
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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autogyro Vettel has made these comments - he would not say such things about his team if they were not true. To blame the loss of a race win squarely on an error made by the team is a big thing and it's not done lightly.

The loose wheel damaged the brakes causing the retirement. Hamilton had a similar issue at the 'ring a couple of seasons ago, for him it caused the wheel to fail rather than the brakes.

autogyro
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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Fair enough Diesel, I admit I have not studied the video as yet.
If I am wrong fine but what the driver tells the media should never be taken as gospel.

marcush.
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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process -pit stop and pitstop preparation is of course a part of the process management and of course a signe of proper quality planning,caims of sub 3 second pitstops is not a sign of proper planning when in reality the crew has yet to perform a sub 3 second stop officially...maybe it was as simple as a bit of debris ,a ridge or whatever jamming between mounting face on the hub and the rim ..who knows.
As the wheel did not come off completely it must have been the drive pegs sheared off or the holes on the other part securing the pegs worn off ..or could the whel go that far out till the stops and disengage from the hub drive?..

autogyro
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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marcush. wrote:process -pit stop and pitstop preparation is of course a part of the process management and of course a signe of proper quality planning,caims of sub 3 second pitstops is not a sign of proper planning when in reality the crew has yet to perform a sub 3 second stop officially...maybe it was as simple as a bit of debris ,a ridge or whatever jamming between mounting face on the hub and the rim ..who knows.
As the wheel did not come off completely it must have been the drive pegs sheared off or the holes on the other part securing the pegs worn off ..or could the whel go that far out till the stops and disengage from the hub drive?..
Hmmm, perhaps this is going to far, if I was wrong before.
Could the low mounted calliper and the resulting scoop design leave debris behind the wheel that dropped behind the new wheel on fitting?

HungryHebbo
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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I've just flicked through the 10 minutes highlights on the BBC website to have another look at this. There is DEFINITELY some sort of flash/sparks that comes from the outside of the front left before it all goes pear-shaped. I can't decide if there's lateral movement of the wheel after the spark event either, there's definitely something, but I'm not sure if it's just a video artifact or actual wobble...it seems too slow to be a wobble considering the rotation speed of the wheel.
If I could go through frame by frame I would do and grab screenshots, but alas, tis impossible.

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Shaddock
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Re: Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes MP4/25

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segedunum wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:
Hamilton was very quick today and was all over (and passing) other, supposedly superior, cars all race until the last few laps. On similar tyres he drove away from Webber in the chase after the Ferraris.
I'm afraid not.
You must still think that the Earth is flat and if you sail to far out to sea you'll fall off the end of the world.

In your world the McLarens were lapped by the Kovi in the Lotus, due to the lack of down force that can clearly be seen from your armchair. Martin has been on the phone crying his eyes out to you, worried sick about how the team will cope in Malaysia.

I'm not sure of all the ingredients they stick in Redbulls, but I would go easy on them in future as you are becoming disconnected from the events in the real world.

On a serious note:

I thought Ferrari’s lack of performance during the race could be due to the team turning the engines down a little after the issues they had in the last race.

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horse
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Re: Australian GP 2010 (Melbourne)

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dave34m wrote:Didnt really see Schumacher doind much in the whole race. Maybe damaged the car
I also don't think that the Ferrari and the Mercedes are in the same league at the moment. I would say Schumacher would have scored a better finish had he not been hit. The car may well have been damaged beyond the front wing, but I think his head went down a bit as well after that.
"Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words." - Chuang Tzu

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horse
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Re: Australian GP 2010 (Melbourne)

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WhiteBlue wrote:It begins with his physical size (too tall, too heavy)
Are you size-ist, WB? I wouldn't have thought it. Since when did personal stature effect who can be a world champion?
"Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words." - Chuang Tzu

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fausto cedros
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Re: Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes MP4/25

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Shaddock wrote: On a serious note:

I thought Ferrari’s lack of performance during the race could be due to the team turning the engines down a little after the issues they had in the last race.
Well, the temperatures were indeed much different. I would instead be very curious about the way they've chosen to deal with their engine thirst...If for this reason alone, i think they'd need an F-duct as fast as we need the ride height regulator...
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere" Anthony Bruce Colin Chapman

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raceman
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Re: Australian GP 2010 (Melbourne)

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8-[


I have one odd request: I would really appreciate it if anyone could help with just an audio snippet of hamilton complaining over the radio to his team about whose call it was to bring him in for the second pit stop.

pls, it seems I missed that part on TV.....

segedunum
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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marcush. wrote:quality is not only component related it is as much process related.
It certainly is, and that's certainly what I'm hinting at. OK, this was a nut that went wrong at a pit stop (there's no telling what third or fourth hand damage one of those wheels going wrong would cause), but it's all to do with people and processes.

creedbratton
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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I'm not completelly sure about who this happened to, but I'm pretty sure it was a red bull. Anyway I am sure that i saw sparks, the kind created from metal on metal contact, come from the pneumatic rattle gun come from the right front wheel.

autogyro
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Re: Red Bull RB6

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creedbratton wrote:I'm not completelly sure about who this happened to, but I'm pretty sure it was a red bull. Anyway I am sure that i saw sparks, the kind created from metal on metal contact, come from the pneumatic rattle gun come from the right front wheel.
Could it be the brake scoops hoovering up titanium dust from the front wing skids and debris?